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[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, their ToS says these (ToS + Privacy Policy) are a legally-binding agreement. So technically, you could sue them for not deleting your posts

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not from EU, nor California, nor Canada. So if anyone wants to contribute with further information about GDPR/CCPA/Other data protection laws, it'll be greatly appreciated.

 

I've seen a post here about Reddit restoring user content without permission and discussing whether this is legal or not, and decided to create this post to help others find resources regarding this before taking any legal action.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and nothing posted here (at least by me) should be considered legal advice under any circumstance. This post serves only to help people find useful links and resources that might be helpful when taking legal actions.

Reddit's Official Documents

User Agreement (ToS)

Under section 5 (Your Content)

By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world.

Under section 18 (Miscellaneous)

Our failure to exercise or enforce any right or provision of these Terms will not operate as a waiver of such right or provision

Source: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement

Privacy Policy

Under section 5 (Your Rights and Choices):

When you delete your account, your profile is no longer visible to other users and disassociated from content you posted under that account. Please note, however, that the posts, comments, and messages you submitted prior to deleting your account will still be visible to others unless you first delete the specific content.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/policies/privacy-policy

Support Pages

No, if you delete a post or comment, it’s removed from Reddit and moderators and Reddit administrators won’t be able to bring it back for you. So before you delete something, be absolutely sure.

Source: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043483451-If-I-delete-a-post-or-comment-can-it-be-restored

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Bro got jealous of China and "The Great Wall of Text"

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Well, they could just say: "We made a script to track every mod who closed their sub, revogate its mod permissions and notify all other mods in the sub with an automatic message", which basically frees them from any charges regarding community content.

They could, however, be sued for not actively removing illegal content, such as pirated things and MAP related things (e.g. r/jailbait)

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Isn't Reddit GDPR copliant? Because if they are, they can't simply undelete things without users' permission

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

The Fediverse is almost unpoisonable by these people, since we can just open another instance and block interactions with those we don't like.

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LMAO, what? Protests ain't fun at all and aren't meant to be. Here in my country, it's pretty common to see public school teachers doing protests and strikes demanding better salaries, then get shot by cops using rubber bullets or get some pepper spray in the face. I don't think they protest because getting shot is "funny", they do because they want a real change for everyone.

Also, the protesters ARE (or at the very least should be) aware of the risks and downsides. If the people you work with decided to make a strike because of something they don't like or agree with in your workplace, they are at least aware they may be replaced by scabs or get fired. Likewise, the mods and users who embraced the protest were aware the community content would be inaccessible and they'd have to find other things to do aside doomscrolling all day.

So no excuses here, people got into this because they really want some changes, and those who didn't either: are Reddit bootlickers; aren't aware of the real impact the API changes are going to make or; aren't able to reach much people without staying on Reddit (here I talk specifically about FMHY and Piracy communities)

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I'm one of those who found FMHY and piracy related things through Reddit, and I understand you, like a lot of other communities there. But if everyone thinks the same, then Reddit will have almost every big community up and running, thus making this protest pointless.

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I've been facing the same issue. I miss my country's subreddit, specially now we're having big things happening politically speaking, but people here don't have that much of interest in tech things, specially if it's a bit harder than normal.

I've been thinking of running my own instance and try to bring these people here, but i don't know if it'll be worth my time. I think I'll just enjoy Lemmy for a while and see what happens in the next weeks. If people get at least interested, I might give it a try

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like your idea of evangelizing people on Reddit, but I'm kinda concerned with how we'd keep this infrastructure up and running in the long term. I don't think everyone would like to donate some bucks to help keep their home instance running, and the massive migration has already made some instances to upgrade their servers, raising their cost.

I'd love to see the Fediverse expand as a whole, but it must be a sustainable growth if we want to get somewhere.

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know about Digg, but the blackout kinda crashed their website/app. I think if we keep the protests going, they'll either have to roll back the changes, or open the subreddits by force and deal with low quality moderation.

Also, I think they did some irreparable damage to their image by not listening to their users, and this hopefully will kill their platform on the long term.

[–] valveman@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed, I think it's a good time to be here: Mastodon has been gaining a lot of ground these days, thanks to Elon; other apps like Peertube, Pixelfed, Lemmy and Kbin are growing as well. Now I actually enjoy the experience of the Fediverse, and I hope it keeps growing and maybe dethrone current mainstream media.

Reddit was moaning about the cost of maintaining a public API that is being heavily farmed by AI learning

TL;DR: Spez is a scumbag and don't care if people use Reddit content to train AI models, he wants to kill 3rd party apps.

I don't think they're actually worried about people using their data to train AI models, since Sam Altman (OpenAI's CEO) is a Reddit investor and was a former chairman until 2022. I mean, either spez knew Sam was using it (my theory is that they're "friends" and spez knew it all along) OR spez didn't see Reddit content as valuable until now. Either way, Reddit started to limit access from mobile browsers, forcing users to use their official app. I don't know, but it seems to me spez is trying to kill 3rd party apps instead of just creating a better protection against scraping.

 

I've seen that some subreddits went dark and said they'd come back in 2 days (June 14th), and others said they'd go dark indefinitely, until the API changes are rolled back. I'd like to make an appeal for the admins who're willing to go back: please don't.

I think Reddit wouldn't withstand 2 weeks to a month without their largest subreddits, and maybe they'd change their minds about API changes. Some may say they'd just make the subreddits public again and promote someone to mod (which I totally agree, they'll probably do that if the blackout endures for too much time), but I think most people don't realise the PITA it is to be a good mod, and just want to be one because of the status (I'm not an ex-mod btw, I just heard it is very complicated to moderate and I believe it really is).

Secondly, there's no guarantee that Reddit won't pull the rug again. Even if they roll back the changes and everyone goes back, they'll probably come up with this strategy again some time in the future. So instead of going back, stay in the Fediverse: all applications are open source AFAIK; you can run your own instance if you wish; you can defederate other instances if you wish; you can contribute with new features you miss or create a fork aplication of your own if you want to; heck, you could create your own Fediverse application if you want. And there won't be a scumbag to come and try stop you.

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