Worst case scenario is nuclear anhilation
Best case scenario, imperial core military gets spanked so hard there's no one left to fight revolutionaries
Insane shit
this post was submitted on 02 May 2024
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there’s no one left to fight revolutionaries
Domestically you mean? Because there's still police, national guard, secret service, various special forces that aren't deployed, FBI, etc
True but imo that's a lot less scary, at least for Europe. The police can't bear to fight on equal grounds, whenever they don't feel like they can safely bully people they quit. It happened with the Yellow Vest movement, despite them being disorganised and mostly non violent.
Do EU countries have an analogue to national guard? French have Gendermerie and the foreign legion, what about the rest?
Poland have WOT - Territorial Defence Force (although the polish acronym read in english is surprisingly accurate) - formation that was intended to be PiS private army, but as every single military endeavour of any Polish government after 1989 it failed its purpose and is currently made of 15 light infantry brigades with no heavier support. Considering how they are getting shat on by the professional soldiers, they are basically bodies with guns. Or, as Witcher book and game would put it:
Some more hits from wiki about them:
The creation of the Polish TDF relates to the reforms in the Baltic states' Territorial Defence Forces to provide response during the early stages of a hybrid conflict.[8]
So yeah, just a bodies with guns
The re-creation of the Territorial Defence Force was first announced in 2015 in reaction to the war in Donbass and concern that Poland's existing military would be ill-equipped to confront an adversary under similar conditions of low-intensity conflict.
Current state of Polish military is summarised here as: being afraid of Donbas militia.
TDF was declared the successor to the traditions of the Home Army National Command (1942–1945) of the Second World War, while being the de facto successor to the heritage of its forebears.
Reminder that Home Army en masse did next to nothing during entire war, their biggest action was needless and disastrous Warsaw uprising. So actually pretty fitting.
Besides responding to external military threats, the WOT will, according to the Defense Ministry, help strengthen Poland's "patriotic and Christian foundations".[15]
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Although Russia says there are over 3,100 mercenaries in Ukraine, these newly arriving troops are not mercenaries. They are in uniform, home country proclaimed via insignia. They mostly are concentrated in the western part of the country, although in some cases they are close to the actual fighting in the east.
According to this there are already NATO troops in Ukraine. Any more sources on this? I don't remember hearing about it to such a degree before.
US special forces were there since at least 22, recently some military engineers were sent over as well to build to Ukr. fortifications. Minor vassals will popably also sent units.
May NATO be exhausted! And may the Western Financial Bubble burst!
Barring the potential, albeit low, threat of nuclear holocaust, because, as always, that's not worth thinking about...
Nice. More dead NATO specialists.
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So they're escalating? This isn't good.
they are getting desperate
Article says "advisors", so its gonna be a mix of special forces doing front line recon/spotting with limited fighting, instructors for the wizz bang shit, maintenance crews for the wizz bang shit, and more liaisons for intelligence/logistics between Ukraine and EU countries.
Not enough for front line fighting or reinforcing the rear. Nobody's going to commit to large scale troop deployments until after the USA elections at the earliest, probably just hoping REALLY HARD that something unexpected happens that drastically changes the painting already splashed on the wall.
I think they were hoping that Ukraine could last till the elections, but it's starting to look like the lines are already cracking.
When is the yankee election? November?
First Tuesday in November usually
So around six months to go? Tbh I don't see AFU capitulating in this period
I wouldn't be too sure that AFU can hold on for another six months. Once the collapse starts it accelerates very quickly. We may be in the early stages of this right now. The panic in western media suggests that the situation is very bad for Ukraine.
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I'll be honest and say that I didn't actually expect them to go for it. The empire has gone completely insane at this point
They are really hellbent on nuclear warfare, huh? I know it’s still too early but every escalation NATO makes it just keeps pushing towards the use of nukes. I don’t know what the end goal here is but it’s not looking good. I’d rather not die, thanks.
NATO leadership painted themselves into a corner politically, and they just might do insane things at this point.
NATO leaders can feel free to join the battle themselves, by all means please do. But maybe don’t drag the rest of us with you.
Leaders used to go to war, when did that change?
We would sure have a lot less war if that practice remained, now it's just the rich sending the poor to fight their wars.
This wouldn't trigger article 4 right? That's only if Russia decided to bomb them unprovoked?
Oh we are gonna die fr fr 🫠
If there is a direct war between NATO and Russia then it will almost certainly will go nuclear.
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You almost triggered my reflex to downvote whenever I see Ollongren
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Don't expect them to fight. They're probably going to reinforce the Ukrainian rear, so Ukraine can free more manpower and send more Ukrainians to die against Russia.
Problem is that Ukraine is running out of trained soldiers, and conscripts they kidnap of the street simply can't hold the line. So, either the west lets the line collapse or they have to start putting boots on the ground.
Yes, but those boots on the ground won't be fighting Russians. They'll stay in the West of Ukraine, so that those Ukrainian soldiers get sent to the frontlines.
But that's what I'm saying, there aren't many troops left to send from west of Ukraine.
Iirc they even stripped everything from all other borders leaving only skeleton crew, despite constantly fearmongering about Russian troops attacking from Transnistria or Belarus.
Indeed, and apparently they've been stripping the border guard down even more recently because they need troops to stop the collapse that's unfolding. The west sending a few thousand troops wouldn't make any difference. It would have to be in hundreds of thousands to actually matter.
Entire EU combined have below 2 million military personnel, which means that most likely not even half are combat-worthy. AFU already lost more people than that in the last two years (counting all kind of loss).
Of course EU have much more potential recruits than that, but i imagine how popular that kind of draft would be, if possible at all.
Even if it was, you can't just grab people off the street and throw them into combat. It takes like a year to do basic military training. Part of the reason AFU is currently collapsing is because it's increasingly filled with conscripts who don't want to fight and don't have the skills necessary. On the flip side, Russian army is seasoned and motivated.
How long until some of them get found out and hit by cruise missiles though?
Even if they "don't fight" they are still targets. And from what Russia has said, they are likely big targets.
this is insane.
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