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spoileralt text: A two panel comic. In the first panel there are two buttons labeled "I don't believe in prescriptivism" and "'Literally' cannot mean 'figuratively'". A finger hovers between the buttons. In the second panel, the finger's owner is sweating and wiping his brow, unable to decide.

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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Literally can mean figuratively if you hate being clear, but it's a much easier world to live in if words don't mean two precisely fucking opposite things.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of words mean two precisely opposite things. Cleave, clip, dust, sanction, argue, drop, and a bunch of other examples that I'm shamelessly copying from a website

Language doesn't work properly without context anyway. Saying "I literally died" has one obvious meaning when I'm talking about a meme someone posted on discord, and a different obvious meaning when I'm talking to the news about the time my heart stopped beating.

[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You aren't interacting with the premise of my argument. I'm not saying this hasn't happened before. I'm saying is it useful to add another one that has no actual use beyond "I cannot think of an adverb"?

[–] cazssiew@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The premise of your argument is 'why aren't people more rational?'. That's a silly premise.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

No one ever seems to have a problem with really (as in real) or very (from verily, ie true) being used in figurative senses, however.

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

"Literally" doesn't mean "figuratively". It's just an intensifier.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“Literally” has been used to mean “figuratively” since at least the 18 th century. Descriptivists (and actual linguists) have no problem with this. It’s a hang up of people who don’t actually study language but just want to tell other people what to do to make themselves feel superior. It was used in the figurative sense by Charles Dickens, Charlotte Bronte, James Joyce, and F. Scott Fitzgerald, among many others.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

James Joyce is a bad example. My man will use any word phthalatically, praxically and with attendancy to drum the nepenthe of the scouring sense held within the addled consciousness that inexorably reaches for the Cratylus — περὶ ὀνομάτων ὀρθότητος — Hades grins, his priapus rising, and farts laconically; toilets toilets all is toilets and shite to shine in the blithering morn

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

First, Joyce’s work varies across all of his writing, and second, you can’t pick the one author out of a list and use that to dismiss the argument. It’s basically the same as dismissing the singular “they.” It has a historical basis, and the entire meme is about descriptivism, which is based in how language is used rather than prescribing how it should be used.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yeah but I'm saying Joyce just does what he wants and im just kidding around

like take Ulysses chapter 9 (Scylla and Charybdis), lns 697–707

He left her his
Secondbest
Bed.
Punkt.
Leftherhis
Secondbest
Leftherhis
Bestabed
Secabest
Leftabed
Woa!

My joke was "was this the guy you want to use as a good example of descriptivism?!"