You falling for the theatre one presents a little better, doesn't mean they don't both lead to the exact same result, one just does it slower and politely enough to appease moderates such as yourself:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you’re going to reduce my opinions to “falling for theater” then I have little interest in having a discussion with you. I don’t see what kind of discussion is worth having with someone willing to dismiss me out of hand.

[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Okay so you admit in your own argument that they're doing it slower. Yes, I WILL vote for a 50-year plan to fascism over voting for a 2-year plan to fascism, every time, without question. Gives us more time to turn it around before sitting officials burn everything down. At this point in this country I frankly don't give much of a damn what the Democrat long term goals are anymore because the Republican party is such an immediate and obvious threat to safety, democracy, and human decency. Given such an environment it's obvious that a few decades (or less) from now we're going to be dealing with significant problems in the Democratic party, since it's so easy to choose to usher them into power right now - it's easy for bad actors to abuse that. And frankly there are already problems in the Democratic party. But I'd rather deal with that then, than deal with Republican ideals now, because instituting Republican ideals now will not leave us with a future where we even have the choice to deal with Democrat problems.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So in summary: "both sides bad"?

(Hint: the Democrats long term goals are to lose to the fascists on purpose because that's how they maximize their funding/support from liberalesque individuals like yourself.)

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 9 months ago

Very interesting hint. I do agree though, one is wolf in sheep's clothing, other is wolf in wolf's clothing. MLK Jr. had something to say about that:

I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negroes' great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's "Counciler" or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago

Oh you’re one of those people