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Chinese Ultras (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml to c/china@lemmygrad.ml
 
 

Since I'm currently in China I've been randomly browsing bilibili and under certain videos I have been noticing a certain insufferable group of ultras somehow even worse than (what I've seen of) western ones, who can obviously afford a device and internet yet claim to care for the poor oppressed masses and talk about how capital is destroying people's wills to live and stuff, and continuously use the term 'downtrodden masses'. One even said that modern society was just like in Lao She's Teahouse (where a lady had to sell her child to survive), and shifted the goalposts when asked about this by saying 'muh abductions!111!11!!

What I would like to know is, who are these people? Why are they like this? Given that most have obviously not experienced for themselves the massive improvement in quality of life between the 2000s and today, are they mostly too young and have too much free time, or are they petty bourgeoisie who also have too much free time? Am I looking at them the wrong way?

Would appreciate insights from those more knowledgeable than me, thanks.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5103306

Most people in the west probably don't know this, but China actually 'participated' in WW1! But as a backwards country with two governments at this time, why did they do so? Why did they align with the Americans, when Germany had influence within the country? Did China receive any benefits from becoming a victor? Today I'll answer these questions and more.

In 1914 China had promised to stay neutral in WW1. Before this point, China had only lost in wars against imperial powers, and few desired to take part in another potentially disastrous war. Besides, many warlords themselves held territory in China, and few would have left their holdings to die in europe when potential competitors could simply occupy their territory. In addition, different powerful warlords were backed by foreign powers from both sides, so there was little desire to participate in the global war at the time.

Germany, however, supported Zhang Xun, who attempted to revive the Qing dynasty, gambling that he would be able to create a German-aligned Chinese monarchy, even providing him with weapons. But Zhang Xun held little military power compared to other warlords, and by easily defeating him Japan-backed Duan Qirui could now call himself the defender of democracy. He reinstated the powerless president, Li Yuanhong, but he himself was appointed as leader of the cabinet. While the cabinet seemed to be engaged in fierce conflict with the President, in reality Li was pretty much alone in his struggle and was always at a massive disadvantage, despite his backing by the US. Primarily this was because Duan had the full power of the Wan clique behind him, while Li had few if any armies of his own.

The Americans wished for China to join the war on their side, promising to renegotiate some unequal treaties, and Li gladly agreed. Yet the Japanese, supporting Duan, soon began urging Duan to join the war too, seeking to secure what Yuan had promised them in the 21 lines. Seeing the Japanese support China's entrance to the war, the US changed its tune and ordered Li to oppose the war.

Of course, this opposition could not be held for long, and Duan used German submarines sinking a ship carrying Chinese passengers as an excuse to cut off all ties with Germany, then declare war.

Despite declaring war, China never sent any troops to Europe, instead providing the entente with over 140000 laborers to aid the allies in constructing works, clearing mines, and other dangerous jobs. In the end, Germany was defeated, eliminating its influence in China, and many hoped that all German interests in China, such as the entire province of Shandong, could be returned to China. But things would not be so easy...

originally wanted to write a part 2 to my last post but too many things happened, so I'm going event by event here. Next post: the Treaty of Versailles and the 5-4 movement.\

https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%8C%97%E6%B4%8B%E5%86%9B%E9%98%80%E5%8F%B2/6241211

source this book. You can get it for about 50 yuan and autotranslate it with that camera app or something.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AG4y1N78P/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

also this video from Soviet Monitor who is a platform verified expert on the warlord era.

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Our understanding of China — and U.S.-China relations — has become a defining feature of all global politics. The China Report is a new show produced in collaboration with Pivot to Peace where every week, hosts Amanda Yee and KJ Noh will be helping through all the propaganda with an independent view of the country we are told to hate, but know so little about.

First two episodes:

I’d never heard of Pivot to Peace.

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"China plans to cap the annual salaries of financial workers at around 3 million yuan (US$412,460), as the government doubles down on its campaign to eradicate extravagance and hedonism from the industry and narrow the wealth gap amid a persistent downturn in economic growth, according to people familiar with the matter.

The limit will be applied to all state-backed brokerages, mutual fund firms and banks, except financial institutions backed by private investors, the sources said, adding that the information is not meant to be made public.

The measure will be applied retroactively, meaning those who earned more than 3 million yuan over the past few years will probably have to return the excess money to their companies, the sources said."

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