The gap is too big and it's harder to buy refs these days
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Milan, Liverpool and Bayern are the closest. If Milan became a powerhouse as they where in the past maybe they can reach this record. But it's look really hard, Madrid will surely won few champions league again so the record seems too far
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Possible but difficult
Real Madrid are the perpetual main characters of the CL and they'll probably add quite a few more to their 14 titles in the decades to come. I guess maybe City could do it but it's a huge difference in titles and winning the CL is very difficult already.
Um you forgot to mention bought for a few of them
If teams are allowed to continue to cheat financially, then yes
United definitely have the potential to. We just need a new stadium, youth academy set up and 4 or 5 first players to make an instant impact and help to bed in youngsters.
Shiteh will only need to win 13 on the bounce to equal it, so it's possible if the keep cheating. Barce ain't, bayern ain't, liverpool and Milan ain't, unless klopp does another 35 year stint.
No way, they’ll win one every so often too so almost impossible for anyone else to catch up with them
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If what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu could be dangerous...
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To everyone saying they're so consistent and win one so often. They went 10 years without winning one between 02/03-12/13. They're will be more droughts most likely where other's with catch up.
There’s no other club in world football where not winning a CL in 10 years would be considered a ‘drought’ and that probably answers OPs question. Other teams might make up ground but if you were to bet on which team wins the most CLs in the next 20 years Real Madrid would probably be favourite. If they were 2 or 3 ahead then maybe I could see it but they’re miles clear
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I can really imagine Benfica getting really big in the future.
Nothing is set in stone. Nottingham won a CL way back, look where they are now. Hamburg won too, look where they are now.
I think, in the long run, those with the best youth center and clever investments can potentially overtake Real Madrid.
But ofcourse Real Madrid will do anything necessary to hold the position.
I am just saying nothing is impossible, especially in football.
The 90s? Is that you?
If things remain as they are, it will be very hard for a team like that to win the UCL, because richer clubs will poach their best players. For a club like Benfica or Ajax to win the UCL, they will need several potentially world class players to have a breakthrough season simultaneously, and even then it's going to be very tough.
Nothing is impossible in football but in all likelihood, this will never happen. If Madrid was just sitting on 14 titles for a while, it would be a different story, but they keep extending that record periodically.
They won 6 of them in the 50s-60s, then went 30 years without winning another. In the late 90s/early 00s, they won 3 more, then took 12 more years to win another (when they went on to win 5 more).
Could easily see another period where they go a long time without winning any, and a team like Bayern, Liverpool or Barcelona go on to win a few over the course of a decade or two.
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Real have been winning the European Cup for almost 70 years, with the larger majority of them coming in the last 30. I don’t think they’re suddenly going to drop off now. Even if they go a decade without winning one, their closest competition (AC Milan) would have to win 8 to surpass them. I think we’re more likely to see Real win another 8 and make it even more impossible.
Milan won’t be able too any time soon because money in italian football is so far behind
It's highly unlikely.
Madrid and Barcelona benefit from having a duopoly over the league. While occasionally a third or a fourth team will compete, Real Madrid knows they will usually finish first or second. This guarantees them Champions League football every season.
This guarantee, combined with their status in Spain and in world football allows them to attract some of the world's best players. All it takes is some shrewd transfer dealings and some astute management and they will have a team capable of winning the champions league.
The lack of competition in their league also allows them to prioritise the Champions League should they wish, meaning they can rest their best players before each champions league match without affecting their final league position too much.
Even if Real Madrid fell on serious financial hard times, there'd be no shortage of middle eastern money interested in purchasing them.
you simply cannot purchase Madrid it is fan-owned club can't sell cant buy
Lack of competition is relative, dude. They certainly have had more competition in the recent years than the likes of Bayern or PSG. Or Juventus in the past before they dropped their level. A duopoly already makes you focus in the domestic goal too the way these monopolistic clubs don't have to face. There's a minimum point threshold Barca forces you to make to win La Liga. And City has only have to face Liverpool 3 times and Arsenal once in the race for the lead, there's not been any competition outside them. So even if the rival varies, that's still a duopoly too, a two horse race. There's an argument to include City among the easiest league winners too, as results show. The clásico race is more demanding because Barca is just a larger threat for Madrid's interests domestically. So is Atletico than any other 3rd title contender in the Premier. Who is Atletico equivalent for the past City dominance? One could argue it's Arsenal, but they've not won a single major competition with Arteta just yet. Atletico has already two leagues in the past 10 seasons.
Even though title race is not as easy as you may claim, it's true they've almost got a guaranteed UCL spot among the top 4 which may be a little bit more difficult to get at EPL because of the Big 6, basically. But that's not different here again than Bayern or PSG's case. It's more spread out among the top in La Liga than in these cases I'd say, just look at Real Sociedad or Athletic recent storming performances. Sum to that the recently successful too EL winners Sevilla and Villarreal (the solely exception for them both being this year of transition), and with the Big 3 you already have 7 sides there. One to drop from Europe every season, two if some extraordinary underdog runs like Girona's happens. Not even counting fallen in disgrace big clubs like Valencia.
So they've consistently got to top 4 spots because of the Big 3 gap against the rest, that's true. But it's got to do more with RM's own status than the rest of the league. RM would be massive at any other league too. That alone doesn't explain Real's consistency.
Lack of competition is relative, dude. They certainly have had more competition in the recent years than the likes of Bayern or PSG.
Bayern and PSG have a monopoly over their respective leagues. I feel this actually hinders them rather than helps them as, although they can prioritise the UCL, they don't have a club in their league to give them a serious challenge season after season.
A duopoly already makes you focus in the domestic goal too the way these monopolistic clubs don't have to face. There's a minimum point threshold Barca forces you to make to win La Liga.
I am talking about winning the UCL though as opposed to winning the domestic league. You don't need to win the league to get into the UCL, but I do agree that having a rival in that league keeps the team sharper as a whole.
There's an argument to include City among the easiest league winners too, as results show
Man City have done very well recently due to their massive financial power. Chelsea did the same at one point too. The difference is that clubs in the English league ebb and flow, just look at Man Utd now. Real Madrid have been in a similar position since the 1950's. Real Madrid are closer to being a Bayern Munich than Man City is.
The clásico race is more demanding because Barca is just a larger threat for Madrid's interests domestically.
That's a pretty weak argument when you look at it subjectively. Spain two (or three) top teams are amazing, but they can afford to rest players to ensure their best players are in top form for their biggest games. A lot of teams in England don't have that luxury. We could argue that Man City have now reached a point where their squad is large enough to do that, but that squad depth is also what enabled them to win the UCL in the first place.
Overall Premier League teams are better than the Spanish league when taken as an average and that is why the league is harder.
RM would be massive at any other league too.
What's your point? So would Man United, Liverpool, Bayern Munich and PSG. I didn't even mention Man City and Chelsea.
I don't know why you're trying to defend the Spanish league so much. Real Madrid is a great team with a great rival in a relatively weak league. This enables the two great teams in that league access to UCL football every season and ensures that they are likely to stay near the top of the food chain in world football forevermore.
I'd say that's a pretty sweet position to be in as a Real Madrid fan.
I don't know why you're trying to defend the Spanish league so much. Real Madrid is a great team with a great rival in a relatively weak league.
I may be biased as a Cádiz fan but you're just unfair here. Relatively to who? La Liga has been the best league from 2009 to 2018 probably. 2nd since then according to UEFA. So it's a "relatively weak league" only compared to EPL. That's not the definition of weak, nor a difference between Real Madrid and other European continental rivals the likes of Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, Juve, Ájax, Benfica, Nápoles, both Milan... who just happen to play on arguably weaker leagues.
What's your point? So would Man United, Liverpool, Bayern Munich and PSG. I didn't even mention Man City and Chelsea.
If you say La Liga is weak, then I've got a claim for "RM being massive" everywhere. Because they're THE largest club by most metrics. They're just bigger than all clubs you mentioned. Hence this topic to start with.
This topic is about Real Madrid's European rivals chances to catch them at UCL tally. Among their biggest traditional rivals figure AC Milan, Liverpool, Bayern or Ajax. Recent rivals including Juventus, Chelsea, City or PSG too.
So we're talking about what differentiates Real from them. I'd say good management comes first. Some of these clubs have spent nearly as much, yet have not succeeded even a fraction. When Real spends, despite some notable exceptions to the rule (Hazard), they do it RIGHT. Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric, Vinicius, Valverde, Bellingham already have all proven that. Núñez at Liverpool, Messi and Neymar at PSG, not to talk about Juve or Chelsea... with many sounded big flops, they're miles away as of today. Only side comparable among the big ones is City with a squad built around world's best manager's mentality and with a whole state funding behind. That comparison alone speaks volumes about Pérez success at managerial level. Not even Barca could capitalize from their recent successful era (talking about their 09-18 run, with 09-11 probably best club ever?) nearly as much. Last year UCL's run even at their current transition period is the most direct example. No team manages that, not even City. They needed just the piece they lacked: a pure 9.
Real Madrid have been in a similar position since the 1950's. Real Madrid are closer to being a Bayern Munich than Man City is.
I agree success calls for success. That's got to do more with both Real and Bayern historical success than City's lack of capacities. We're talking about current state of things though. La Liga is closer to the 3 horse race than the Bundesleague or even the Premier. You may seem to miss La Liga has been more contested in the last couple of years than the Premier. That's an objective truth too. You seem to run from one perspective to the other conveniently. You can't say EPL is better and more contested. The first was not true in the past decade and a half and the latest hasn't been true recently. Man U is relevant historically but not as actual UCL contenders, truth be told. That would be Liverpool and more recently, Arsenal, even though the latest with Arteta have really achieved nothing just yet.
That's a pretty weak argument when you look at it subjectively. Spain two (or three) top teams are amazing, but they can afford to rest players to ensure their best players are in top form for their biggest games. A lot of teams in England don't have that luxury.
Nor do most La Liga sides apart from the Big 2. Even them lose points when not at full, just look at Barca's most recent domestic match.
Btw, Atlético won that 13/14 season (and were therefore at their prime) just when RM came to win the next 3 UCL. They also won it the year prior Real Madrid won their latest UCL. Wouldn't say domestic competition harms their European performances that much, it actually seems to work the other way around.
Bayern and PSG have a monopoly over their respective leagues. I feel this actually hinders them rather than helps them as
I don't see how is that the case when you were attacking La Liga's "duopoly" because of lack of competition even though, by definition, it's a more contested scenario.
Overall Premier League teams are better than the Spanish league when taken as an average and that is why the league is harder.
See, that's a better argument. Competition level throughout the league more than about title contenders. But here again, works when compared to EPL. Wouldn't say La Liga's bottom is worse than Serie A's, Bundesleague or specially Ligue 1 though: check their ELOs
Sevilla or Villarreal success at EL, yet struggling at domestic level is an indication.
Take in mind if you take out Barca and Real from the equation, you've got to do the same with Bundesleague (Bayern and Dortmund) and so on, to compare apples to apples.
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The way Real Madrid is structured from the first team to youth levels , the new stadium , the healthy yearly revenue and the club mentality is geared towards more success , so good luck with that.
This is Zeno’s the Achilles paradox in real life.
By the time another team reaches 14 CL titles, Real Madrid will be at 20.
And by the time the team hits 20, Real Madrid will be at 23.
They will just continue to pull ahead.
I’m sure the Ajax 3-peat winners wouldn’t have expected Liverpool to overtake their tally of wins in just a span of 7 years either, in the same decade too!
Obviously Madrid have that healthy cushion but it only takes another drought from them, and suddenly Liverpool, Bayern, Barca and maybe Milan could be right on their tails again.
You think will still be a champions league in 50 years?
The only team I could see doing it is Bayern tbh.
Unless in that time the other team has all star talent plus good managers and none of the players leave probably not
Plus this is not accounting that Madrid doesn't win any CL and getting great players during this time
I don't think the champions league will be a thing at least as currently is in 30 years time
Unless a super team the likes we’ve never seen before wins, like literally, 10 in a row then no it won’t happen. Even if someone starts creeping up towards them Madrid will still win the odd one here and there themselves.
Sure why not, football dynasties often look invincible but they crumble quite quickly. People seem to forget that Madrid have went through huge champions leagues droughts throughout their history, it’s just that when they win, it’s not just one.
Not top. But Milan are on 7 I think. So I wouldn’t put it past Man City catching them. Then it’s a case of Liverpool or Bayern winning anymore in that time. Realistically Man City could dominate until they lose everything with the charges.
Nah we are going for another 4-5 with Bellingham.
No, and I find it funny that Man City spent over a billion to win the same amount of champion leagues as celtic
Maybe another team overtaking the 14 but overtaking Real overall including whatever they win is going to be difficult.
absolutely no chance. i can't see anyone getting to 14 but if they do - madrid will be on 30.
I know nothing is impossible but that is. At least in our lifetime.
Cant think of any other team than City, if they keep up current level of management I can see them overtaking RM in 50 years. But RM wont stay sleep either, their focus on CL is something else, if they go 2 season without winning its treated as major crisis.
When you think about how long it took Pep to win another CL after he left Barca despite being completely supported financially at his latter clubs, and also seeing how much money PSG has thrown at it without winning it...it just seems extremely tough for anyone to catch RM.
I think the time period may need to be over 100 years for it to happen realistically.
Unless a team could win the cl once every 4 years but the kind of consistency is impossible
Is it possible, yes, very. Chances of it happening less than 5%.
People really get too stuck by Recency Bias.
Until Messi and Ronaldo came, people thought Pele and Maradona's legacy would be untouched.
They forget Madrid went on a Huge drought years ago.
Look at how one of the best clubs in the world failed to make it out of groups 2 years in a row.
Anything can happen. Don't take events linearly. Such questions are always useless because we can never predict the future.
Madrid have a Huge Gap so yes it's hard but Whats stopping Clubs like Liverpool Milan etc to have some more Glory years and close the gap. The Champions League is the hardest tournament, it's not as easy as media makes it sound. Madrid didn't win it cause of Black Magic Or Main Character Plot armor or any bullshit.
They had to sweat and fight their way to it.
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Anything is possible but it can't be just any team, it'd have to be a combination of some disastrous and crippling event at Real that renders them unable to keep buildings teams specifically to win CLs and another team to fill their niche, a club that is hell-bent on building Champions League-winning squads for years to come.
I think Bayern is coming closest.
I’m a Bayern fan however based on the top 5 teams with most cl’s, 1 Bayern is best vs Madrid (statistically in cl) and Bayern is the most consistent. Excluding Madrid out of the top 5 obvs
Assuming CL concept will last for another 50-60 years, you mean. Cute.
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