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A good in-depth discussion of media bias in political reporting, or why is it that Biden voters are encouraged to understand an empathize with Trump voters but Trump voters are never asked to understand Biden voters?

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[–] Introversion@kbin.social 90 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a liberal, I don’t need to idolize my president. I don’t want to have a beer with them. I don’t buy Democratic President merch.

I do want them to be competent. I do want them to respect the rule of law. I do want them to be truthful though I understand politics means they sometimes aren’t. I want them to govern for the good of all, even conservatives that didn’t vote for them. I want them to respect history and science, rather than spouting bullshit conspiracy theories with zero basis in fact.

By those criteria, Biden has been as good a president as I could hope for.

Trumpers just seem to care that Trump hates the people they hate. They seem to love the bullshit he spouts; the endless lies, the conspiracy theory nonsense, all of it.

I think I understand Trumpers well enough, without reaching out and trying to understand their point of view. If they could coherently form complete sentences that didn’t involve regurgitating Trump lies or rightwing media conspiracy nonsense, I might try — but they can’t and don’t, so it’s a waste of time. Two groups who can’t agree on the difference between up and down might as well be speaking different languages, so, just no.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

It's more basic than he hates the right people. Trumpets love trump because he's a bully. He makes people upset.

That's just how authoritarians work. The reason the other Republicans are failing at the primary is they all appear weak. To ACTUALLY take down Trump, a Republican candidate needs to out bully him. They need to call him an orange asswipe.

But they won't because that will upset trumpets. And that's why they are doomed to lose the primary. Trump can call their wives ugly and they'll just take it for fear of upsetting his mob.

[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you love a politician, you are in a cult. I voted for Joe Biden but I think he's basically a Republican, and wish the democratic party would field a candidate who is better. But this is politics. You don't trow up your hands like a baby and demand better, you work with what you have.

[–] yukon0@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That and the narrative of "lesser of two evils" creates a race to the bottom. We have Biden because there's no real incentive to get good candidates, when all we have to do is find one mildly less shitty than the alternative.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sanders tried that but until we dissolve the DNC (and for that matter the RNC), technically those picks will always occur by a pair of privately managed entities.

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Privately managed entities? They're organizations literally made up of elected officials. In some states, voters directly elect their states members, as in anyone can run to be a member, and in others the members are chosen by other elected officials. Either way, there isn't anything private about it.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Might want to read this. This is what I was getting at that there's no public accountability in a supposedly public process.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Updooting for “the Liberal attitude toward democracy oliticians”, but I really would have liked to have a beer with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. In addition to being good national leaders, they appeared to be good people to know socially

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'd like to be at a dinner with the Obama's and the Bush's because I think the conversation would be fascinating and likely hilarious. I think that you can disagree with Bush's politics and think he was a terrible president but still recognize that he isn't a total asshole of a person.