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[–] wholemilk@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I ordered food from a place with zero human interaction. I ordered from a tablet and picked up my food from the counter after receiving a text. I was still asked to tip. At that point, I didn't even know what I was supposed to be tipping for.

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[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 year ago

Here is a crazy idea, Pay Workers A Livable Wage and price goods accordingly... that is the easiest step forward as I would be tempted to ask for more because profits are unpaid wages.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you can't afford to pay your employees a decent wage, you should raise your prices or you shouldn't be in business.

There are a few places here in Seattle which have eliminated tipping, raised prices, and raised wages. I greatly prefer this, personally speaking. Add no, I'm not going to start tipping every random cashier just because they start prompting me to.

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[–] ed2417@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was ordering a pizza online for pickup. When it prompted for a tip at checkout I canceled the order. This is the worst case scenario in my book.

[–] freeman@lemmy.pub 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just hit 0.

When someone said something to me, I stopped picking up pizza from there….

I’ll tip and quite well (usually 25-30%) for full service stuff. But for buffet style/sandwich lines and takeout. No thanks

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same here... If I'm being served I will tip well. However if I call in my order, go pick up my order, and the "server" who took my order doesn't even collect my money, then what my tips are really going towards is making up for the fact that the restaurant isn't actually paying their staff a livable wage. During the COVID shutdowns, sure I was willing to help keep their doors open. Everyone is back to full business now, so what exactly are you asking me to pay for?

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I hate the tip before service prompts so much! If I am gonna tip, it’s coming down to service. If you ask me before to tip you based on the price alone, I’m out.

[–] Dankenstein@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tipped wages are disgusting.

Every business should pay their employees stable wages.

I have no problem with putting some extra cash down for the waiter that looks no older than me and is working at the roadhouse down the village back road for minimum wage.

If a fuckin Pret a Manger opened up in center Philly and defaults to 30% tips, wtf man, wtf.

[–] Wincing5185@mastodon.online 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Dankenstein @RotaryKeyboard as an European, US tips things is just ridiculous. Seriouly can't understand that shit. Why don't you pay your ppl for the work they do?

[–] themadcodger@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With so many things in this country, the origins are racism. While tipping originated in Europe, it became popular in the States post-slavery as a way to not have to actually pay black people. Haven't shaken it yet.

And annoyingly, the ones who often push the hardest to keep tipping culture are the servers themselves as they can take home a lot of money on a busy weekend evening. Hopefully, we're getting closer to getting rid of it though.

[–] Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca 8 points 1 year ago

For the longest time tipping was very stable and nobody said much but with the covid-inspired tipping greed hopefully you're right. If enough people get pissed off maybe something will happen for tipping to be eliminated. I personally haven't sat down in a restaurant since the end of 2019, haven't done a food delivery since 2021, and that won't change until tipping is gone.

[–] HisNoodlyServant@beehaw.org 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am so tired of it. Pay your god damn employees.

[–] Snapz@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A solicitation for tip BEFORE any service is rendered is essentially blackmail.

"Hey, not for nothing, but sometimes pancakes can fall on the floor before they get into your to-go bag... I'm just saying... Anyways, here's this tip screen, no pressure [holds eye contact]"

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

Said absolutely no service worker ever

[–] BurningnnTree@lemmy.one 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I made an online order for a restaurant a while ago, and there was a tip option with a message that said "100% of tips go toward supporting the restaurant." First of all that's a super vague statement, and secondly, that's not what tips are for. Tips are for supporting the specific people who serve me, not for supporting the restaurant as a whole. Why would I want to leave a tip when I don't even know where the money is going.

[–] RotaryKeyboard@lemmy.ninja 7 points 1 year ago

Obviously I can't be sure without knowing exactly which restaurant it is, but it is probably a message in response to how the delivery apps were capturing customer tips and delivery fees for themselves and sharing nothing with the restaurant. There was a period of time where restaurants were getting added to delivery apps without the restaurant's consent. They're probably trying to make you feel like you're supporting them by paying the tips and fees directly to them.

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[–] themadcodger@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate the tipping culture, and wish it would go away. But I'll still do it for sit down service as that's part of the deal. The ones that really get me are for pickup as well as the fastish food services where you go to the counter to order, prepay, you pick it up from the counter and bus your own tables. What exactly am I tipping for?

And why do taxis need tips? Or hairdressers?

[–] 1019throw@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Over covid we would tip fairly frequently for takeout. We still on occasion tip to local places, but most of the time we don't. I'm literally picking up the food, no service is being provided.

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[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would not object to a law banning establishments from requesting tips before service has been provided.

[–] invno1@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

They shouldn't request tips at all. Tips only should be provided if a customer feels like the service was above and beyond normal.

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[–] Lols@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

from the netherlands where this nonsense is starting to take root, i refuse to pay more than it said on the bill

i do not order or buy from places that dont include taxes in the price tag and report them whenever i come across them, i refuse to order from places that dont include the deposit on cans and bottles in the price tag, and i refuse to to tip people for just doing their job

ill tip if i messed something up, but i dont see any reason why i should pay someone extra for doing what their job requires them to do, especially since theyre at worst making the same minimum wage i am

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[–] latte@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

my favorite thing is places that have a 20% gratuity automatically added to every bill to compensate employees fairly (i am begrudgingly accepting of this even though it should really just be on the menu price) but then have an extra line for tip on top of that. and sometimes that extra tip line calculates a tip for you based off of the already added 20% gratuity. insane.

[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tipping is absolutely everywhere and it feels like a lot of these screens default to 20% or more. And the employees usually give you a look if you change it to below that or no tip at all.

A sit-down restaurant I understand for your server, but I still disagree with it and feel that they should just be paid a normal wage, not dependent on the tips. But I'm not going to tip for takeout 9/10 times.

Also how do we even know, as customers, if the tip is actually going to the employees?

[–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No no, don't feel bad about hitting that 0% button. I feel like this is a PSA but in the USA if you tip a minimum wage (untipped) employee, THEY WILL NOT GET YOUR TIP. Severs get paid on tips and a minimum wage (tipped) of about $2.50. Tipping a normal employee (on screens, not cash) will just mean that the employer has to pay them less wages. Seriously? Yes seriously. You can tip at subway, the only person getting that money is subway.

[–] CarnivorousCouch@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Strictly speaking, this isn't true throughout the entire US. Wait staff in Washington, for example, get paid the full state minimum wage, and the minimum wage act explicitly requires that tips be paid to employees rather than retained by the restaurant. Of course, actual practice or compliance can differ, but there are a few states with better laws than the norm.

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[–] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I never tip with takeout. The only way to stop the cancer of tipping from spreading is to refuse to buy in to it. Pay your damn employees a living wage and then they don't need tips!

[–] TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I actually stop going out for any restaurant or outing ever since the tip inflation went out of control. I just rather spend the money on a cooking class and cook things myself. I really encourage everyone else to do the same, you save a lot of money, and you can add whatever creativity you want to the meal.

[–] RotaryKeyboard@lemmy.ninja 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Same here. For me it was the realization that what I thought was appropriate tipping -- 15% -- was actually an insult to servers. Thanks to the internet, I saw how servers retaliate against what they think is a bad tipper. I realized that proper tipping is subjective, and there was no way to be sure I wouldn't be punished for something I did wrong unknowingly. So rather than risk it, I just decided to learn how to live without eating out.

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[–] speff@melly.0x-ia.moe 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's bonkers how much money you can save making food yourself by just planning meals based on what's on sale this week. People don't believe me, but chicken thighs/legs go on sale here every 3/4 weeks for 99 cents a pound. Week's worth of meat for the equivalent price of a McD's meal.

[–] lamentforicarus@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't really eat meat. The thing that gets me are the vegetables. If I want anything fresh, it costs so much more than canned or frozen. Frozen/canned veggies are fine for some meals, but for others they can really taste a bit off. We just moved and I'm hoping there are some good farmer's markets around where I live now with decent prices (the place I moved from were worse than the grocery store).

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[–] LootGoblin42@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I ordered some stuff to get delivered from Walmart, and they wanted me to tip the delivery driver! Fuck that! I'm not going to tip for that. Pay the drivers a living wage! If they don't get tips and don't get paid enough, then these companies just wont have drivers anymore.

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[–] TimTheEnchanter@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Related, but has anyone else noticed the “default” tip amounts (on registers and such) are higher now, too? In the past I would see 15-18-20% as kind of the standard options, and now I don’t seem to see anything lower than 20% on those preset options. I saw one the other day that had 35% as a default option.

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[–] yuun@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah I have no idea who the tip even goes to sometimes.

And really in those cases, I assume straight to the business/owner. And then it's like why am I volunteering to buy this at an additional markup?

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[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I didn't expect one of the things to carry over from reddit is the rabid anti tipping culture and abunch of people making up shit to justify their preferences.

I now have a job that gets tips, if someone doesn't tip IDC, the overall tips are good and I don't know the story of the person not tipping. When I give a funny look is when someone hits the no tip button and looks up at me like they're waiting for some kind of response.

I don't have time to care about your financial state, you all are just making up shit in your heads to justify shit to yourselves

[–] noodle 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Tipping isn't prevalent here so your comment seems strange to me. I'd never tip unless service was above and beyond. The reason why is that I feel companies use tips to depress wages, and tipping culture puts pressure on customers and not the company.

I don't see why you're angry at people who choose not to give you money in a system that allows them to choose, when the system is clearly the issue.

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[–] randomperson@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I love that vast majority of Europeans don't tip. At least the ones thinking rationally.

[–] ox@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lately I've been at some finer diners in my country, and the payment terminals now have an option if you want to tip.
I've made it a rule never to tip. Even if the service was magnificent.

Out of all the things I don't want my country adopting from the US, the tipping must be somewhere in the top.

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was browsing a retail website and when they automatically added a +10% tip on the advertised price I noped out immediately.

[–] zorrothefox2001@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I work inside at a popular pizza chain. While tips for pickup aren't required, they are appreciated. But it's wild to think that $16/hr isn't cutting it and rather than pay us more than the minimum, they give us an option to shake a tin cup to our customers. Fucked up.

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[–] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

I'm glad to have moved from a country where taxes and (high) expected tips are on top of the price, to a country where tax is included in the price and tips are usually not expected. It makes a surprising difference in affordability when you can actually buy a €5 item with €5.

As soon as companies started asking for tips at self check-out, it became obvious that it's just a way of trying to underpay their staff and shift that responsibility on the customer.

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