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[–] rain@mlem.eldritch.gift 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I like that Pathfinder 2e essentially does this by default! Bad metagaming can be so tedious!

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I do get the meme, but I can't really think of a way to hide specifically the result of a failed wisdom save from a player.

Like how would you tell a player sometime like "You feel like Alric is a wonderful person despite the corpse he is looming over" without it being very obviously a failed save against charm person? Same for basically any other enchantment.

Other spells with wisdom save are even more obvious by virtue of taking damage, or being turned into a cow.

Detect thoughts and dream are the only two I could find where rolling in secret works for wisdom saves.

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to be so openly hostile to a player just kick them because you're burning bridges to any hope of having a friendly table atmosphere again.

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[–] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago

You can also use that tendency to make them self-destruct.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Any time you're given a number for the save, just say "huh." Like it was an interesting result.

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