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A federal judge on Wednesday temporarily blocked a California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and deprives people of their ability to defend themselves and their loved ones.

The law signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in September was set to take effect Jan. 1. It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

The US is so fucking dumb.

Let's make murdering someone as easy as pointing and clicking, can't be any consequences from that!

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

America was founded by guns and it is chock full of them. There is no way to put that genie back in the bottle.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

There literally is, it's called a constitutional amendment and they've been enacted many times before.

Of course, there's not the political will for it, because, like I said, The US is so fucking dumb.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

"Hey guys, they passed a constitutional amendment. We better turn all our guns in."

-Like 4 Americans

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Guns wouldn’t disappear overnight ofc. But make owning guns illegal, arrest people who own them and create buyback programs. It might take some time. It might be super fast.

But you know what for sure wouldn’t solve anything? Doing nothing.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Like I said:

The US is so fucking dumb

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If people want to be felons that's their choice, but it's absurd to suggest any armed resistance would occur, or matter, in such an instance

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Australia did it and it worked pretty well for them. You just make gun ownership illegal, ask for them back in a reasonable timeframe, and then tell the cops to stop murdering unarmed black people for a minute to go chase down the rest of the guns that weren’t turned in at the end of the process. Then when youre done, you disincentivize bad actors by ramping up the penalties for gun possession significantly, and actually enforce those laws.

It’s not hard, just needs to be done.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As the previous person said there is no way to get it done. Yes there is something called a constitutional amendment, but if there is no realistic way to get it passed then effectively there is no way to get it done.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As the previous person said there is no way to get it done

The "we've tried nothing and were all out of isdeas" approach...

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 2 points 11 months ago

I mean, I think California just tried something. New York, D.C., New Jersey, Illinois/Chicago, and some other places too.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

Yes, because the US is so fucking dumb.

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sure there is. It's easy.

Just start giving black people guns.

The so-called second amendment absolutists will be calling for draconian gun control measures within a week.

[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I'm pro gun and I want most black people to own guns.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

We already do that. They're perfectly welcome to defend themselves and even more so given our police.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

"Arm the homeless"

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Here's a solution:

Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Here's a solution:

Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.

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[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think it's sad how you Americans have to defend themselves with a gun while police won't do real shit.

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

Oh police will show up eventually and you'll wish they hadn't. There's no situation that police can't make worse.

[–] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

i like guns but don't a bunch of other states have bans like this? how could it be unconstitutional in Cali but not in the other states that have had laws like this for years

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The CA law went further than other states. It for example it included most places as sensitive places (including random things like gas stations that sell lottery tickets) and required businesses to post a sign to allow people to carry on their premises.

[–] swiftcasty@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the list of the top ten most likely places for violent crime to occur in the US, gas stations and convenience stores are 3rd or 4th depending on the year. Not so random.

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 6 points 11 months ago

That violence is not from people who are legally carrying guns

[–] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

No, a few states passed this in response to Bruen. All of them have been challenged but this is the first to get a ruling.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not wanting to die from an ectopic pregnancy = not found in the Bill of Rights

Wanting to carry around a machine whose only task is murder = covered in the Bill of Rights

Makes perfect sense

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Settler-colonial white supremacist patriarchal society founding a country didn’t care about rights of women, but they did care about ensuring the settlers would be armed for their planned displacement and genocide of the indigenous population across the rest of the continent.

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