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The article concerned is here.

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I am very much anti-CPTPP. I do not trust Tories.

I am no legal expert, but there are some things said to be written into the agreement which leaves a lot to be desired. Our NHS may have our purchasing power reduced is one of the worst I have seen listed. And as Max points out where was the option to vote on this?

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Great. Kill our trade with our closest neighbours to start a new deal with those furthest away.

AnOtHeR bReXiT WiN

Our country is ran by clowns and charlatans

[–] Syldon 7 points 1 year ago

I actually disagree with the clown aspect. 55 Tufton St spends lots of money on working out the best cons possible. Some people have done well out of Brexit. I firmly believe the CPTPP is the next pay out. Fortunately you only need to give 3 months notice to leave the block.

[–] tenebrisnox 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

0.08% of UK GDP over the next decade, according to Badenoch but "only if we use it".

Austerity's over, boys! By 2030 we'll all have servants and be driving around in diamond-finished cars counting our millions. All of us.

The people managing this country are screwing us big time!

[–] Tweak 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

30 years ago, you could look at France, Germany and Italy and approximate that they were just as wealthy as one another. Today, Italy is markedly poorer.

That is the direction the UK is headed in, and I don't see any sign of us changing course.

[–] tenebrisnox 4 points 1 year ago

I think we're already a very poor country. Lots of poor and a minority extremely wealthy who pedal the lie that UK is rich country. I think the next decade will be increased transfer of wealth to the already excessively rich.

[–] mannycalavera 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this commentary is a bit hyperbolic. It's silly and inflames people on both sides. But that was probably the point, eh?

They were saying this morning on the news that the bug win here is a services agreement which the UK is exceptional in. Something we didn't have within the EU and don't have with the free trade agreement. So there's potentially some good news on that front.

Certainly it isn't an instant 12 trillion boost. And it was never realistically going to be "let's ship things from half way across the world where we used to ship them from Europe".

Our NHS may have our purchasing power reduced is one of the worst I have seen listed. And as Max points out where was the option to vote on this?

I must admit I haven't read this. Do you have a source I could look at? This still needs to go through Parliament. So your MP will have to vote on it.

[–] Syldon 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So this commentary is a bit hyperbolic. It’s silly and inflames people on both sides. But that was probably the point, eh?

I rarely listen to Max's commentary. He constantly tries to reinforce his own opinion over the top of others speaking. It is not a good way to get a point across. He also has a lot of flawed arguments. I follow him as he does come up with some good stuff now and again. It is a wheat from the chaff issue.

I must admit I haven’t read this. Do you have a source I could look at? This still needs to go through Parliament. So your MP will have to vote on it.

I think it was to do with the SOEs (state owned enterprises). There was assurances given to the lords regarding the NHS. But this is based on current contracts. There was a worry it would inhibit further nationalisation on stuff that the Tories have privatised within the NHS in the last 13 years. This is also reiterated in the advice given to the lords.

We find that two CPTPP provisions on intellectual property are particularly problematic, raising the possibility of significant economic damage to the UK’s patent industry, and higher prices paid by the NHS for generic medicines and biosimilars.

The loudest voices have been over food standards. But this is also being talked about in most responses by government. The Tories rarely highlight where they are going to screw you. They always look for a dead cat to deflect attention. I also cannot find the full text of the CPTPP anymore. I have read it in the past just not recently. The lords scrutiny paper gives a good run down, but it is very long winded.

As for the service area benefits, there is no concrete text to back this claim up AFAIK. There are potential numbers listed, but reference as to where the figures come from. Even so the government's own data states that we will gain 0.08% in GDP. It does not say how much that gain will cost us.

My apologies if this sounds somewhat negative. I try to be open about being very anti-Tory.

[–] Treczoks 1 points 1 year ago

Twelve trillion punds boost? Over how many centuries?