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[–] qwamqwamqwam@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

For the record, this has more to do with Argentine financial mismanagement and China’s “expansive” fiscal policy than with the dedollarization that the headline is trying to imply.

[–] pandaconurbano@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We (I'm from Argentina) have not enough dollars to pay the IMF loan and had a bunch of yuans in reserve China lend us to trade with them, a 'swap' as I heard they call it.

What's worrying is that yuans have a secret loan interest, probably quite a high rate. Don't ask were the IMF loan money went, for sure it wasn't spent on me.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brazilian neighbour here, how has this change impacted the old issues with inflation? I remember there always being lots of complaints from colleagues employed over there about that and it also getting exploited a lot by our tourists, but the BRL to ARS exchange rate doesn't seem to have changed much.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

There hasn't been a significant change but this took efect weeks ago, so since Argentina has psychological dependance on the dolar we are still kind of tied to that and the economy hasn't seen an effect, but with time it will get better (unless Milei wins, he is a ultra right wing libertarian who wants to make the dolar the natiobal currency, then we fucked).

[–] libscratcher@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I mean, 10 years ago China would not have been an option, just more IMF loans. Seems to fit the label of dedollarization perfectly.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

The reality is that US raising rates creates problems for countries like Argentina which makes repaying their foreign debt more expensive. In the end it, the drive for dedollarization is that it provides countries with a way out of the exploitative credit system US created via IMF and the dollar hegemony.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mismanagement? Fuckk, you yanks fuck us up through the IMF. We are debt trapped in another of the US economic games. It IS related to dedolarisation because the dolar as the internstional currency causes this type of issues in explouted nations. There is a reason why us and my Brasilian brothers are doing it, us being the two biggest economies in Southamerica.

[–] burningmatches 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good luck with being debt trapped to China.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the hell do you even know about that. Cerra el orto gringuito boludo.

[–] burningmatches 1 points 1 year ago

I lived in China for 20 years.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Do some research before projecting.

[–] macgyver@federation.red -3 points 1 year ago

Just more tankie posts and headlines for the tankie always posting here :)

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or you could just start using Bitcoin for international trade. No having to trust a specific country to responsibly manage your currency. Send money anywhere instantly with 99.9% uptime, much lower fees than banks/swift/etc, 365 days a year, etc.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

responsibly manage your currency

I mean...

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure. The wild fluctuations in value and the lack of liquidity are just minor issues that anyone running a billion-dollar industrial operation should be able to overcome easily.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

The fees are way way way more expensive with bitcoin than real money also. This guy is a troll or deluded.

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