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[–] psybe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For me, the only thing I want to see for a sprint race is to have them all in spec cars. It would be even better if they were different kinds of cars for each sprint. I don’t hate sprint races, I just don’t think they are being creative enough.

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No spec cars please, for the love of god!

Why do you watch F1? Perhaps some other form of automotive racing is better suited for you? I believe in the US they have spec cars, perhaps follow that and enjoy those races?
F1 is a sport where individual development as a team is key and also part of what makes F1. Why destroy F1 by making it essentially another US form of blending all to 1 level?

I will never understand F1 'fans' offering spec cars or reverse grids as solutions. Go watch another form of racing and you'll have all of that, enjoy. But try not to flatten F1 into a sport where performance and innovation is stifled.

[–] psybe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hit a nerve I guess. I’m not arguing for Sunday to be spec cars and I enjoy the engineering of the cars and all those aspects of F1. I think you could make the argument though that if these are supposed to be some of the best drivers in Motorsport, how would they stack up in the same car? Is Max still number one if he and Lewis are in the same car!? The story for sprint races changes, and it could potentially be more interesting to watch.

I agree that some suggestions are terrible. Reverse grid is silly in most Motorsports.

Also, I watch a lot of motorsports, US and international. I’m just a fan of fast cars going around tracks, no matter what. All of them have something different to offer, and I appreciate that. I just think the sprint races, in their current implementation, is a poor way to get more eyes on a race weekend.

[–] tiagoasazevedo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every time someone suggests spec cars in F1 all I hear is IndyCar Europe and I totally hate it. Enzo Ferrari must be turning in his grave.

[–] psybe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, Indycar has some good racing! Also, isn’t F2 and F3 a spec series too?

My real point is it would be interesting to see these drivers in the same car try and beat each other. Sprint races seem like a good place for that, but I could be wrong.

[–] Radium@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Put them all in the Porsche super cup cars, they’re there anyway as a support race

[–] psybe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That would be fun!

[–] fetter@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the spec car idea. The thing I hate about sprint races is that it increases the potential cost for the smaller teams. Two races is two chances to wreck the car and incur cost in repairs. Bigger teams can absorb that a bit easier.

[–] psybe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And if you take the cost cap into it, it takes from anyone who wrecks their cars. The possibility of wrecking the car will cause shit racing.

[–] JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean it's called a sprint, make them actually sprint. Run to the finish line in full race gear, including HANS.

[–] psybe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes! This is the level of creativity I want!

[–] ooboontoo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know everyone likes to shit on sprints, but I'm ok with the FIA experimenting if only to avoid things getting stale. My suggestion would be to run the sprint in reverse qualifying order so even back markers get to fight for some points and you could have a ton of overtakes.

[–] FlayOtters@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the biggest issues with the sprints is that many of the potential good formats are automatically off the table. We won't get something fun like reverse grids anytime soon.

At the moment it's all fairly new and constantly changing but at the end of the day it's nothing unique. It's just a shorter race.

[–] dr_doomscroller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

a reverse grid is going to set up too many crash situations with all the inevitable passing. then that brings in a lot of questions about wrecking cars a day before the real race and how all this affects the budget caps

[–] ooboontoo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think just because there's more passing automatically means more crashes. If anything the faster cars would take it easy on the first lap (when most incidents occur) knowing they have the speed to overtake once all the craziness is over.

[–] tiagoasazevedo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

All that means wasting the first few laps in a 1/3 race that only gives points up to the 8th place. The only way for the 20th to get to the points is to full throttle from the get go.

[–] lackthought@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

theoretically they could exclude costs related to direct contact in a sprint race from the budget

but that would mean someone has to audit costs and determine if the damage was actually related to contact on a sprint race, which seems like a headache

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would stop the fastest teams from doing their utmost best to qualifying last, thus getting the wanted top spot in sprint and sail away with the victory? Any metric used by FIA to identify or mitigate 'slowness' is going to be a shit-show as teams can offer up valid excuses, like 'this is not an exact science, we just had bad luck'

And then we have the biggest issue with this: this is a high performance sport, being first is literally the point. And you punish that by dropping these down the grid? You will find no driver in favour of this I would think.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume he meant reverse grid for sprint but normal grid for race - so you still want to qualify first to have the best chance in the race where there are more points up for grabs.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like this, drop the sprint shootout. 1 quali, reverse sprint normal race

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It would give Perez something to win each race.

[–] Squeak@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More awards for Max then…

[–] ThatOtherDude@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember when all the fans, drivers, and team principles wanted Sprint races?

Me neither.

[–] Gulmar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember the time everyone was against the halo?

Stuff changes and a lot of people are against it, doesn't mean you can't try it out.

I honestly love sprint weekends.

[–] frostbyte@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The thing that is great about sprint races, at least with the format introduced this season, is they are a great opportunity for someone to dip their toes in who is curious about becoming a fan of F1. I think the ability to experience both qualifying and a race in one day, and with a shorter race at that, is the ideal way to introduce someone who’s never watched a race before. Sure, people who are already into the sport may not care for sprint weekends, understandable, but as a tactic for bringing in new fans I think it’s worth doing a few times a year.

[–] Yaeger@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

The only one that should be “fully committed” as per the article is dominicali himself!
When was the last time that anything that came out of this idiots mouth wasn’t complete and utter bullshit?
Screw the sprint bullshit. The fact you are still “tweaking” shows that this shit doesn’t work. It never worked and will never work.

[–] Thustrak@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The teams could use all the backup/junior drivers in the sprint races. Gives TPs time to assess drivers and covers the requirement of juniors getting time in during the season.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I like it. Maybe one could turn them into a season-long competition of sorts that might help fill the gap between F2 and Formula 1 itself for those that aren't quite ready to make the jump.

[–] Motecuhzoma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just do a reverse grid start for the sprint races and that’ll make them much more fun

[–] tiagoasazevedo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a huge crash waiting to happen.

[–] HungoverRabbit@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Wut? Perez does a reverse start every weekend, don't see him crashing that much

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Formula 1 avoid stupid shit for one day challenge: impossible. Please...get rid of the sprints and street circuits (yes, this includes Monte Carlo; it's boring as fuck and should be a bygone idea).

[–] Idirian 2 points 1 year ago

You speak truth.

[–] Idirian 2 points 1 year ago

Wow, Domenicali really does spout some poop.

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