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So it’s not purely anecdotal then… link to the original paper is here.

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[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And they're less likely to stop for pedestrians:

Cost of car was a significant predictor of driver yielding (OR = 0.97; p = 0.0307); odds of yielding decreased 3% per $1000 increase.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on a study of two crosswalks in Las Vegas, and 461 cars.

[–] florge 3 points 1 year ago

That's the sort of study you do in primary school

[–] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Significant, but far from p = 0

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Around here in Texass land, I'd speculate it's Dodge Ram trucks. Hyper aggressive. But I'd also speculate that oversized roll coal truck culture isn't much of a thing in the UK.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago

I'd speculate it's Dodge Ram trucks.

Road accident, it's in the name.

[–] UsefulInfoPlz@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In FL it’s any bubba in a jacked rolling coal POS. The latest is the “carolina stance” makes the truck look like it has to take a crap. 10+ years ago it would have been the idiot civic boys weaving around causing the accidents.

[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

I had to look it up... And I have no idea why anyone would want to do that. Any ideas?

You'd be right. Ram sized trucks literally don't fit down London streets sized for horses & carriages from centuries ago, they're very rare here.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the researchers hypothesised that branding could be to blame

I'd believe correlation -- I certainly regularly notice a number of BWM drivers being assholes in the US -- but correlation isn't causation. Personally, I doubt that the car is what causes it, so much as it acts like a magnet for assholes. If you're gonna drive like an asshole, you're gonna drive some model of car. Maybe a BMW appeals to you more because of said branding, but if it weren't available, you'd drive something else, and I'm skeptical that you'd suddenly change your driving habits.

I don't believe the article anywhere tried to claim that buying a BMW turned you from a safe driver into an arsehole did it ? Therefore your causation comment isn't really apropos.

It's a clear case of effective marketing selecting a sub demographic: drivers who have self perceptions around their driving and certain innate traits (selfishness, lack of concern for others) will prefer to buy cars that are advertised in a way that boosts their ego or enhances their self perception.

Or to quote an (Aussie) friend of mine "maybe not every BMW owner is an arsehole, but every arsehole I know owns a BMW "

Interesting (to me anyway) anecdotal aside, here in the UK it's usually Audi drivers who are stereotyped as the aggressive drivers not so much Subaru WRX and BMW owners (source: reddit sub discussions and pub/work conversations, not scientific of course)

[–] FatLegTed 1 points 1 year ago

Very true. Shitty drivers with no regard for anyone else will be the same whatever they're in.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Dodgy driving – covering such reported infringements as speeding, jumping a red light, overtaking on double white lines or ignoring the humble pedestrian crossing – was more likely to be a factor when a Subaru, Porsche and BMW was involved than a Skoda or Hyundai.

Lead author Alan Tapp, professor of social marketing at the University of the West of England, said: “All things being equal, you’d expect the same proportion of aggressive manoeuvres across all types.”

However, there was a higher prevalence in the Department for Transport collision data among makes he characterised broadly as those with “advertising and marketing that seems to celebrate performance driving, look at me, king-of-the-road stuff”.

Drivers of Subaru cars – once enthusiastically defined in his Top Gear days by Jeremy Clarkson as “a fire-breathing incarnation from the pixellated world of the PlayStation” whose slamming door “makes exactly the same sound as a recently shot pheasant hitting the ground” – were involved in proportionately the most “injudicious action”, the paper found.

“None of those experiences and imagery seem particularly real, but people maybe – particularly guys – step into those cars and think they’ve become those brands, even when you don’t have those Swiss mountain passes or the LA Freeway.

A Subaru UK spokesperson said that the brand had changed its range and focus since the 2011-2015 data examined in the paper, adding: “Our core pillars are safety, capability and reliability.


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[–] smeg 2 points 1 year ago

All manufacturers that make high-performance cars. I imagine the Subarus in question are Imprezas rather than Justys and the BMWs are M3s rather than i3s, and other manufacturers aren't called out not because a Ford Focus RS is driven more carefully but because Ford tend to sell a lot more Fiestas.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

shirley lexis drives must be in this list.

[–] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Don't call me Shirley! 🙄

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah trash article, Nissan drivers are by far the worst

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on where you are in the world.

I live in Ireland, the only Nissans you see here are Micra, Leaf, Arriya and some non EV SUVs.

They are usually driven by middle aged moms and they get them on finance from a dealer.

Most young guys here all drive BMWs or Audis or even older VWs. They tend to be the most aggressive on the road and so I imagine, the most likely to crash.

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Fair point. I live on Vancouver island and the only people driving bmws are old people. Honestly it's annoying they buy such fast cars and we hardly see them ever floor it.