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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

Could have said it a week ago, assholes.

How many Palestinian children died while you held your breath?

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Could have said it ~~a week ago~~ decades ago, assholes.

Ftfy

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[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 year ago (14 children)

West: "A little bit of genocide is fine but too much and you might make the rest of us look bad"

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[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

In any given exchange of violence for these actors, it is a pretty reliable bet to say that there will be about a 10:1 ratio of Palestinians versus Israelis killed. I expect that we will see between 10k and 20k Palestinians killed, and probably somewhere less than 2k total Israelis killed. I think there will be fewer people killed by bombs and bullets than by the blockade. I suspect 90% of the casualties will be civilians. I think that all of the people who die in fear and pain while hiding in their homes as well as those who die on the barricades will be forgotten in a year or so.

I also suspect that the remaining checks on Bibi’s already significant power will end, and that Hamas will effectively cease to exist as a political power.

[–] Mrkawfee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Much like the 2.5 million Palestinians trapped in the Gaza strip, Hamas ain't going nowhere.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Shelling civilians will definitely make more Hamas members out of people still there as well

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[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Their existence depended on their existence being more politically palatable than the level of effort necessary for their elimination.

A modern nation-state like Israel or the US relies on a principle of disproportionate response to deter aggression. You have the most far-right, violent, and most corrupt government in the history of the state in charge and, as a result of the scale and targets of the “unprovoked” attack, they have the support of the only countries whose support matters in situations like these. The level of violence executed against Israel was enough to piss it off, but not to hurt it at all. None of their very significant military capacity was diminished. Hamas doesn’t have an Air Force. They don’t have any SAMs to speak of. They are cut off from resupply. They have no armored vehicles nor the ability to defend against them in significant number. Their “artillery” consists of unguided rockets they can fire in a general direction and which inflict so little damage as to be militarily ignorable and which only count as a “terror weapon” because it helps Israeli propaganda. They are politically and geographically isolated. They will not be resupplied. Israel on the other hand has a blank check and supply lines that cannot be interrupted.

If Israel decides to effect a ground incursion, it will be over rubble. They will call in airstrikes from fighter-bombers that the Palestinians will not be able to defend against. This is not Afghanistan. This is not Ireland.

Netanyahu is going to proceed as if he has a mandate to end this, and he is a very hard person. I do not think it gave him enough inertia to do to Gaza what Putin did to Crimea - I don’t think they can simply call it part of Israel now - but there’s going to be a reckoning.

What we are seeing right now is the limited response. I’ve been on the wrong end of irregular infantry. I’ve never been on the wrong end of modern armor, air, and artillery. I don’t recommend either, but the effects of the latter are indescribable. That’s not even touching on intelligence and special services, who I am very certain are being tasked as we speak.

Life in Gaza is about to get intensely worse for civilians. It will remain much worse than it was long after the last shell gets fired.

I honestly cannot see any way that this results in anything but an across the board loss for hamas. I also think it’s going to crush Gaza. Making life in Gaza even worse than it was is really hard, but I think they managed to make sure that comes about.

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[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is America already tried bombing an idea out of existence twice in Vietnam and Afghanistan and it failed twice. I just don’t see how brutal conflict does anything more then inspire the next generation of extremist. We need to break the cycle of violence.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Historically since 2008 to just before the conflict was 21:1, it'll be more 100:1 by the end.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Escalation? Didn't they already bomb the shit out of that country's innocent civilian population as literally nothing but cold blooded revenge and hatred? (And this is just talking about this month, not even talking about the past...).

Man, fuck those guys. Religion and politics of the region aside, I don't know how any people or nation can support governments who take these official actions of mass murder and genocide right before our very eyes.

They might as well be Russia for all the evil they're doing, except they're not even pretending they're doing it to help the Palestinians. They're just gleefully bombing and starving women, boys, children, babies, en masse.

And no, just because they were also attacked horribly doesn't give them the right to murder civilians like savages.

They're supposedly a functional developed nation, they should understand basic things like rules of engagement, proportional and measured response, and, you know... not officially and happily committing unforgivable war crimes :-/

Man, fuck those guys.

I’m sure Israel will pay as much attention to that as we paid to the rest of the world when they were all like “no dude there’s no nukes in Iraq what the fuck are you talking about”

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We fully support you! But hold back guys.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 5 points 1 year ago

Here's more ammunition for bombing everyone, but please don't bomb the wrong target :(

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That'll work.

Egg them on and support them for 75 years and then tell them to chill out right before they wrap everything up.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wrap everything up? This is a forever war until there’s a 2 state solution

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[–] anteaters@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel does not give a single shit about warnings from Europe as they were smart enough to not make their existence dependent on us.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why would they? Any criticism of anything they do can be called antisemitism and made illegal.

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[–] spark947@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

As a Jew, I'm glad that world leaders saying something and standing up for the protection of innocents.

On an unrelated note - why do we care what Yanis tweets about this? So weird to have that in this article.

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