For people who don’t know, this is very, very bad. The recount isn’t actually because of the far right lunatic but because a reasonable person with good ideas beat the corrupt ruling party candidate for second place very narrowly. This recount is basically a transparent ploy to shove the corrupt establishment candidate through to the second round
this post was submitted on 28 Nov 2024
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And pushing the corrupt guy to the second place will give the far-right guy pretty much a free pass to the presidency.
Huh, sounds kinda familiar...
There's an ongoing theory that the corrupt guy might want this to happen indeed. See, the presidency in Romania isn't as important as it is in the US. We're a parliamentary republic, which means that parties need to form a coalition so that they can vote in a government. There are some hints pointing in the direction that the corrupt guy might try to hijack the elections so that the far-right guy gets the presidency. This in turn would mean that the corrupt guy's party can form a coalition government with the far-right parties and thus get elected as prime minister. It's easier for them to govern with the far-right than with the progressives or center parties.
Huh, that also sounds familiar...
I don't know what would be more disturbing, finding out that the election was rigged without anyone noticing or that so many people actually voted for this guy.
Far more disturbing to know the far right guy won legitimately.
US: First time? (Please send help)
Reminder that only ~30% of the country voted for Trump.
But most of the 30-40% who didn't vote seem to be okay with Trump too. Added together that's more than half of the US.
Honestly, not really. Most of them don't pay any attention, they're too busy living paycheck to paycheck and trying not to be homeless and don't have the time to stay politically educated.
And yes, that is pretty paradoxically why so much of the country is in that position in the first place.
We're in that position because neither one of these parties is willing to do anything about it. Many people recognize this and just disengage because "what's the point? We're screwed either way."
This time around, both candidates were cheering on genocide, the rich, and anti-immigrant rhetoric which gave the clear advantage to the party with a base that supports these ideals while it predicably backfired for the candidate whose base doesn't support these ideals.
30% of eligible voters.
75M / 356M = 21% of people living in the United States.
Tbh, recounts should always be mandatory regardless of who wins or by how much. It's silly to assume there isn't election interference going on in our day and age, and I doubt only one country is doing it either.
Recounts generally only correct for errors in vote counting - if different systems are used (i.e. electronic tally for initial count and by hand for recount) where one is cheaper and faster and the other is more expensive and more precise then it makes sense to trigger automatically if the vote is close enough that error could account for a swing.
However, recounting using the same system will result in the same outcome (varied by whatever amount of error is inherent in that counting system) with the single exception being suspected interference in the counting process.
If, for instance, there's a municipality suspected to be staffed by pro-Russian bureaucrats then it makes to recount the result using trusted actors as a way to remove possible error.
Mandatory recounts with the same system and participants don't get us anything particularly meaningful.
I am confused. Is the concern that the vote counting process was compromised or that voters were unduly swayed before the election?
I've heard grumbling about the latter (especially regarding TikTok) but a recount wouldn't remedy that.
I don’t know details, but the nr 2 and 3 were extremely close. Since there will be a runoff between the nr1 and 2, a recount makes sense.
The difference between 2nd and 3rd candidates is 2000 votes. There were 9 million votes in total. That's insanely close. There is widespread fear that during the recount some votes will be nullified, and some will be changed in some god forsaken villages, resulting in an overturn (which will result in a re-election according to the constitution).
Candidate #1 is a pro russian fascist. #2 is progressive pro-european. #3 is just very corrupt and made a lot of people angry. If #1 goes against #2 in the second round, #2 has a decent chance of winning. #1 against #3 would be really bad, like having to choose between hitler and trump.