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If you read my previous post on other place I asked about dating and most responses sounded like it was nice. Yes, I'm aware that relationships are not only good times (I've seen my mother being tired of her partner and scared of my father) but when you have literally NOTHING in your life you can't help to idolising the things you never had...

I don't think that's weird, but it's definitely sad

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Why have you convinced yourself that you have nothing and that you need to be in a relationship to have something?

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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Thing is, that a relationship can be very fulfilling, this is true.

But thinking, that being in a relationship will fix a bad view on life or problems, the relationship will suffer.
Relationship is work. And often very painful work, because you have to step over your shadow and accept, that some of your deeply treasured perspectives (that protected you in times of pain) are now just wrong and destroy said relationship

So starting to work on yourself and being content with yourself is always the first step. Else the relationship will be even harder to work through those issues

At least that was my experience
But yeah, having someone to love is great and having someone to love you is nice.

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

As a fairly attractive person who also suffers from depression. It really doesn't matter. I can find so many reasons why other people don't like me. So many reasons why my actions are ultimately pointless and worthless. And that's the thing, when I'm depressed I think I'm ugly. Don't take my word for it, think of all the Hollywood stars that have or do suffer from depression.

I don't think it matters what you have. Depression can make a shit sandwich out of any situation. But once you work through it and become fun to be around things change. Even if you're only fun for yourself to be around, that's one more person who likes you.

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I've just looked at your post history and it seems we have a lot in common, I've been out of work, have depression, feel incredible lonely at times. I spent my life on the other hand chasing relationships, sex, none of it solved my issues because my issues are deeper than that. Yours probably are too and my advice is to find what it is you need and the rest will full in to place.

Good luck out there comrade.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

First, you must love yourself. Then, love others - family, friends, or strangers. Expect nothing in return. If you can get over those two hurdles, it will be a lot easier to be loved.

Imagine if you hated tofu. But you wanted to convince others to love tofu. Maybe you’re a door to door tofu salesman. Only a gifted con artists can make that sale. In this example you are tofu.

In every relationship, from professional to familial to romantic, you must constantly give more than you get. Most of what you give will be taken for granted. But you’ll notice who appreciates you, and they will get more of your time and effort.

Anyway it’s not that great being loved. It’s a burden in some ways, because of how carefully that burden must be carried. You must act in service to those who love you. Love can be suffocating, and blinding. Many people forgo their own health in service to those who love them. It’s a difficult balance. But for evolutionary reasons, it feels like it’s “enough” in life to be loved. And that peace is hard to find through other means.

There’s a freedom that comes with loneliness. You can travel and explore. You can take much bigger risks. You can make foolish and selfish decisions.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This has always been such an completely and totally offensive rhetoric imo. The notion that one has to be perfect before they are even allowed to have a relationship is absolutely ridiculous and untrue. Do you know what helps things like self esteem and self love? Having a support network which includes having a caring and considerate partner. Expecting people to magically heal themselves in isolation is absolutely ridiculous and unhelpful. Every human being is flawed in some way. It's ok to seek connection while having flaws. Literally everyone is flawed and most people don't wait until they are the perfect specimen of a human being to look for connections with someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone should.

Edit: I am not trying to say that a partner will magically fix anyone. And I agree it's good to be comfortable with yourself whether or not you have a partner. But I can't stand when people repeat ad nauseum the bullshit that is telling people that they have to fix themselves before they are allowed to make human connections. It's honestly damaging.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I never said anything about perfect or flawless; nobody is. Loving yourself is warm-up for loving others. You need to practice patience and forgiveness. You need to accept the person (or self) as they are, but also support them in their own journey for self improvement. If you don’t have the patience and hope for yourself, you should not expect to have that compassion for others.

The only love you get for free is from your parents, and not all parents even give it so freely.

Anyway I don’t consider this advice to be rhetoric. I’m not arguing for anything or selling anything. I’m just trying to share my experience with love. It’s not an easy thing to understand. You are free to ignore anything you don’t think is true.

Who do you admire in the world? What are the qualities in them you admire? What prevents you from possessing those qualities? If you admire that somebody would join a circus, practice juggling. If you admire those who are generous with their time or money, be more generous. You will eventually find you are the person you admire, if you work toward it.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So the love and compassion I have for some of my family and friends is negated and is fake because I don't love myself? Am I supposed to stop interacting with all of them?

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, you do have to fix yourself before you can create stable interpersonal relationships, because what happens is that you can end up bringing some of that negative energy into whatever relationship you find yourself in, creating a burden for those around you.

This could then lead to a negative feedback loop where you lose your friends/partner, and end up hating yourself more.

If no one's going to love you, you might as well love yourself.

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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The grass always looks greener in the neighbors yard.

Being desired is OK. Having sex is OK. Feeling deeply understood is unmatched.

I was in a 12 year relationship and I didn't feel that. I am in a new 1 year relationship and I don't feel that. Do I appreciate my partner? Yes. Am I attracted to them? Yes. But I crave to be understood.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm missing something naturally primordial though. This isn't the same as "oh I don't have the most current iPhone" being with someone is something that more of less happens to "everyone"

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

All I can say is try be your best self. Try respect and love yourself. Try live up to your own standards and try to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. That kind of energy is attractive. Don't fuss with people who couldn't give a damn about you.

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[–] Corno@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hi!

I understand that you're feeling frustrated, but it's important to consider that there are so many great things in life other than sex and reproduction. You're not a failure, you're still young, and there's so many great things to see, learn, and do! There are even people who choose not to have sex, get into a romantic relationship, or have kids, and they're capable of living happy lives. Your purpose in life is whatever you want it to be.

There's over 8 billion people on this planet, and finding someone who loves you for you is just a matter of when, not if. For now, I'd think about why you feel the need to put yourself down this much. What makes you think that you have literally nothing in your life, and what would make you reconsider that thought? Do you really feel that you have nothing and you need to be in a relationship with someone to have something, or is it something that others have pressured you into believing?

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

People don't have access to the 8 billion human beings. So that logic makes no sense. I have NOTHING. Barely work, still live with my mother, can't drive, don't have savings or money, I don't have the skills to attract people, I have nothing.

I didn't choose anything though. I'm cursed with a sexless and cold life.

[–] Corno@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I never said they do, but with how many people there are, it's pretty much inevitable that you'll find someone who is into you and loves you for you. What's wrong with living with family? I think it's a good thing for family to stick together.

You say you can't drive. What's preventing you from learning? As for work, have you tried getting a mentor? Mentors can be free or they can be paid, but they can help put you on a career path that suits you, and provide feedback and guidance. They can help you achieve what goal(s) you have set in mind and to become the best version of yourself.

[–] classic@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Read OP's history. While they likely are suffering, they aren't looking to change. Post after post, they just shoot down all the well-meaning attempts to help. Save your efforts

[–] ZDL@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago

Good point. I just spotted the name. I should stop engaging.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've seen a couple of your posts before and I wonder if working in customer service, maybe just as a cashier at a convenience store might help you. Its mindless, menial work but it allows for short interactions with a lot of people. You get to see your community in a different light and meet people you wouldn't otherwise. Maybe eventually you will find your voice and gain the confidence and a few friends that will help you network into better situations. Maybe going to the gym would also help, getting proper cardio and strength training did a lot for my mood and physical self esteem. Also, you are only 35, you will be young-ish for at least another decade if you take care of yourself.

Also, you appear to live in Europe, why not save your money for a train trip to Amsterdam if never being with someone sexually is causing you so much frustration? I'm sure at least some of those workers have experience with people like yourself and would be patient enough to try to help, maybe chat about it too. Honestly just talking openly with someone like that about your situation, someone whose job it is to approach someone intimately might help. This is probably a terrible idea but it is an option, if you feel like you don't have others it might be worth considering.

Loneliness and depression play tricks on you, keep your eyes open for possibilities and a year from now your outlook could be very different.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago

People like me don't get cashier jobs dude. I quit the gym long ago it's depressing and boring. I'm completely against doing anything with a prostitute.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you sometimes feel like you were born on the wrong planet?

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wrong side of the world and generation.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah it's a though situation to be in. And at every corner they're shouting YOU ARE WRONG.

Thank you, very helpfull 🙄

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[–] Hossenfeffer 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

when you have literally NOTHING in your life

Clearly not you then. You don't appear to be dying from starvation, cold, or conflict. You're articulate and capable of writing with perfectly acceptable spelling and grammar. You have access to the internet. You're way ahead of 90% of humanity. Check that privilege!

Get off your self-pity cloud and do something. Learn some new skills - there's plenty of free courses out there. Improve yourself. Learn skills, earn money, use money to better your situation. Stop blaming the world, it owes you nothing. You, and only you, are responsible for your happiness.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can't be serious. Even the beggar at the street has a phone with internet, that means nothing, some people have no escape

[–] Hossenfeffer 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, so all the stuff you do have is 'nothing'.

Stop deflecting and do some work.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You are missing my point completely, stop repeating that I'm not doing any more work.

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