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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I am pretty sure most people are here for idealogical reasons so lack of things is a nothing burger for them.

Normies only care about ease of use and network effect. Until fediverse brings usability, we aint even compete for the network.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Normie here, Lemmy is pretty easy to use imo. I think the transition is happening now kinda like the Internet in the 90s or online dating in the 10's.

Ofc I just got here and I'm using Voyager.

A theory I have is that everyone who hates reddit eventually left leaving the milk bags brains. I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk and left when I saw my mod queue get exponentially worse. My friend told me it was because the decent people left for Lemmy.

Now I'm mod of !cartographyanarchy@lemm.ee and it's sooooo much easier.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 week ago

I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk

I used to lurk, thank you for your service 🫡

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The higher-score comments there don't seem to be particularly hostile to Lemmy. They talk about legitimate concerns like whether Lemmy as it exists now could deal with a Reddit-size volume of data, The top comment at this time speaks favorably of !selfhosted@lemmy.world.

Of course people who are still using Reddit are more likely to view Reddit as favorable or acceptable and alternatives as problematic, or not quite there yet. I'm actively Fediverse-first in my use of social media, but I still end up on Reddit quite a bit for niche interests because that's where the most people are.

its a chicken and egg thing. the fediverse cant scale if we arent pressured to fix scaling issues. we need users to highlight the pain points so we can fix things that allow those users.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Could be their total intolerance for opposing views, don't see that on Reddit but it's rampant on Lemmy.

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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Us vs them too. It's different, people hate change. So now there is a them and an us..

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago
  1. the post already said why:

I would love to move away from reddit but it's hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.

  1. further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and (c) guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:

How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for "selfhosted" I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?

Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):

I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it's called "selfhosted". You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn't show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.

Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.

Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.

  1. And I haven't even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.

I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.

No - apparently not, it's only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come... and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Anyone still left on Reddit is either too ignorant about the alternatives to Reddit to even have an opinion or is actively trying to keep people on Reddit for Reddit.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I left reddit after a cyberbully situation because I defended a nonbinary person in a post in the sega dreamcast subreddit.

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Honestly, in my experience since I fully moved to Lemmy:

Almost any subreddit is more mature than any Lemmy channel.
This isn't just number of users (but that's a huge problem that has been mentioned here a lot), it means that the chance you'll run into a mod who is a tinpot despot is pretty high, and there is nothing you can do about it if you're not willing to sit alone in a ~~ghost town~~ alternate community.

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[–] PoseidonsWake@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

For the same reason Youtube is doing with Odysee and Peertube - money - walled garden.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We aren't Russian bots?

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I was just thinking about this because I've been going through and blocking every political community. I've found that when that is gone, there's really not that much left aside from random technology focused stuff, some memes, asinine twitter screenshots, and a fuck ton of linux stuff. And the comments sections of seemingly unrelated posts often devolve into political shit slinging. I'm on an instance that blocks lemmygrad and hexbear so I can imagine it's far worse for the ones that don't. I'm starting to sour on lemmy too because there's basically nothing here of interest to me anymore.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Confirmed that the ones that don't block hexbear and lemmygrad.ml are significantly worse:-).

I like !lemmybewholesome@lemmy.world, but there's less than a post a day to it. At some point it's up to us to build what we want to see in the world, which is harder when there are fewer of us - so if becomes a cache-22 where we need more people to make new content but we would need more content to attract new people.

And apparently mod tools here are inadequate, though hopefully improving.

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[–] Auster@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can conjecture some things, though I can't be 100% sure on either:

First, maybe it's fanatics/fanboys that don't like competition making their platform less relevant. Second, it's paid actors complaining. Third, it's robot accounts making posts. Fourth, as proposed in the OP, people are getting the wrong impression due to noisy and problematic bubbles. Fifth, people being scared of leaving their comfort zone. Sixth, a mix of either some or all the previous possibilities.

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