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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 118 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sony is the biggest fucking security risk in this entire deal, what the fuck

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Especially with the rootkit scandal from 2005, the PSN breach from 2011, the internal employee data breach in 2023, etc

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

they also do not protected customers private information. Let alone their own..

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 69 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It would be nice if people just said what they were thinking.

We wanted to juice our PSN subscriber numbers, so we're forcing everybody to make a PSN account, so hopefully they spend more money with us in the future

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right? I'm so completely sick of all the non-stop lying. If I was president, I'd issue an executive order making lying illegal.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Who decides what "truth" is? In concept I'm with you but in practice that sounds like a nightmare. See: mainland china

Governments should be the arbiters of law and recommendations, not the arbiters of truth.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Alright how about ethics laws. Make knowingly lying or blatant dishonesty a felony.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Didn't news stations at one point have something that required exactly this? Atleast over in america...

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I want to say it was a clause of the FCC's Fairness Doctrine, wherein newscasters were legally required to present information on events and political matters as unbiased as possible on publicly-issued airwaves. It lost a lot of its steam when cable became commonplace, as cable networks were technically closed-circuit systems, and then it went out the door with the internet. On top of which, stations like Fox News claiming to be entertainment and not news stations helped their cause. The original idea was that if the FCC was to grant you a broadcast license, you were obliged to operate in the interest of the public, and the doctrine expressly forbade operating for personal gain.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean it's mostly just something to say, I haven't put a lot of thought into it. But there are things that are objectively true, and objectively false. If a company states something that is objectively false, then they should be held accountable. This PSN issue is an area where it becomes subjective, or at least difficult to prove, and then we're right back where we started.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago

Sony has the worst track record of anyone to be talking about "safety"

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 2 weeks ago

How many databreach had sony until now? I remember more than one

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

To be fair, Totoki has a bit of a point when it comes to safety concerns, as PlayStation will be required to oversee interactions between players in its multiplayer games, but that doesn't really explain why single-player games force players to create PSN accounts.

What ever happened to "Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB" and "Online interactions may lead to a different or unintended experience" and other such concepts?

I mean, this is pretty rich coming from one of the most hackable companies in history. But still.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think “Disclaimer: Product may explode and take out your eye” only goes so far in terms of warning consumers. Better to actually have something protecting them.

EDIT: My tired mind when I wrote that was just specifically annoyed at the use of disclaimers to excuse a negative trait of software/products. Basically, I was reminded of when Cyberpunk hit the issue of seizure content, and all they did was add a generic warning to the game. But, I really should have added: Sony attempting to use consumer protection to excuse PSN is also stupid. Basically, I'd gotten off topic.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

No online interaction is going to be as harmful as a product exploding and taking out your eye. Except in the case of children and pedos, perhaps. But in that case, most responsibility (all, in my opinion) is on the parents to monitor their child's online gaming. Additionally, a system that doesnt require PSN accounts that monitors in game chat for words and phrases that flags for human interception could easily be implemented. Something like that could be caught quickly and dealt with easily before actual damage occurs.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't explain single player games.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Sony? Safe? Lmao

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pausing the sony bad narrative for two minutes. Where the fuck was all of this outrage when Rockstar, Ubisoft, EA, Actiblizz and so on did the exact same for over a fucking decade? Why is sony the straw that beoke the camel's back when theirs isn't even the worse requirement? Shit, I still have PTSD from GFWL.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because they introduced that shit to a successful game way after launch. So people got pissed because it was a bait and switch.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh, I see. I thought they had backtracked on that.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They have, but the details don't matter. You can't force people to do something, then backtrack when there's people pushing back and then go back to business as if nothing happened. The broken trust is there already - so every game they add their thing to will remind people of Helldivers. There's a reason this article has Helldivers as its thumbnail.

[–] Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Partially, with the PSN account "requirement" for multiplayer (which worked fine without it even with cross play), they also banned 176 countries from getting the game, accidently (not really) those are the countries where PSN is not available. This Steam store ban is still not lifted to this day, they only reverted the PSN account "requirement". And before anybody asks, no it was not Steam that did this on their own, it is the game publisher (PlayStation Publishing LLC) that has to restrict game availability.

[–] Pantsofmagic@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are they still storing passwords in plaintext?

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 10 points 2 weeks ago

We will find out in the next hack.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Cuz when I think about safety of my user data I think Sony

[–] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

ROFL They've gotten breached so many times and drained of data, it's cute that they are trying to gaslight consumers into believing this bullshit! It's all about looking popular and inflating their free accounts, so those freeloaders can become payers at some point in time. Steam is far more secure than Sony, I would prefer that they'd just give up with trying to strong-arm PC gamers into signing up for their PSN Slop.

[–] xep@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The same Sony that put some software on CDs that would install itself, could not be removed, and was invisible to the end-user? Oh yeah, very secure.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder 10 points 2 weeks ago

Just to fully expound on what you're saying, it was a rootkit, literally malware.

[–] N00b22@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

🏴‍☠️

[–] caut_R@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Why even go out of your way to spout that bs? Just say nothing, if you’re not about to say „shit, you’re right, no more PSN requirements on PC,“ you can only make it worse

[–] Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Wait, is this the same company that installed a rootkit on your computer when you inserted a genuine bought music cd, or has had their databases breached several times, where plain text user credit card data was stolen and the latest one was not that long ago.

That Sony?