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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 123 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Man, people miss out on so much good eating because of preconceptions and gatekeeping.

Berries go with almost anything. And yeah, technically strawberries aren't berries. But the point is that pretty much every berry is a blend of acidic tartness, sweetness, and complex flavors. There's no world in which berries make something bad.

Any fruit has the potential to go with any standard food. Meats, pastas, breads, even veggies. It's a matter of balancing the specific fruit with the other ingredients.

That's why pineapple on pizza works. Tangy, sweet, and with that hard to describe tropical fruitiness. It brings out the sweetness of a good tomato sauce while cutting through the fattiness of toppings and any oils.

Pork chops and applesauce baby, it's a classic for reason. Pork stuffed with apples; and other things, orange chicken or duck, blackberry glazed venison roast (seriously, you want to try it), apricot beef (or lamb), curried goat with prunes (or apricot, or peaches even), roasted brussels sprouts with apples and cranberries.

It's all about the balancing with other things.

The Polish strawberry pasta? It's balanced out with sour cream that mutes the sweetness some, and works as a bridge with the pasta.

I know I'm talking into a void here, what with this being a meme, but I'm always so amazed that people will dismiss a food combination without trying it, or sometimes without even trying to imagine the possibilities.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Syntax error: Unmatched parentheses on paragraph 5

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 26 points 3 weeks ago

The classic pitfall of the ADHD parentheses in a parentheses info dump

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Nice catch, thanks :)

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I blame Alton Brown.

Hear me out.

Alton Brown is undoubtedly a legendary figure and he did a lot of good for the modern state of culinary entertainment. His scientific, experimental approach was authoritative. He came up with what was scientifically the best way to do a thing, demonstrated why, and did it in a very entertaining way.

But with that, came scores of fans who saw "this is the best way to do a thing" and interpreted that as "this is the only way to do a thing, fuck you you're doing it wrong."

Alton wasn't doing what other TV chefs were doing. Emeril and Julia presented really good recipes, they'd add some flare and say hey, this is how we do it around here. Bourdain explored the world and showed off a lot of great ways to cook. He was reluctant to criticize and clearly just loved the food.

But Alton Brown, for all the good he did, opened up authority to fans who didn't know shit about fuck. He spoke with confidence about how his method was the right method.

Right about the time the Internet was coming in to it's own and arguing about nonsense online became a hobby a person could have.

Now, there's a culture of being right about cooking online. People who log in every day just to bitch about how somebody else cooked something.

Obviously it's not exclusively Alton's fault, and Alton is as open to new and interesting ways to cook things as Bourdain was, a fact you'll discover if he ever happens to visit your home town and read what he says about the food there on his Facebook page.

But there is a through line there, and it starts at Good Eats.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I still can't get over the militant grilled cheese vs melt arguments that were common online a year ago.

If food tastes good, who cares what the hell it's called or how "authentic" it is. No food is authentic from the get-go; someone tries something new one day, other people like it, and it catches on and becomes a thing. If it's not your thing, or if you think it could be done better with x, y, and z, that's fine, everyone has personal tastes and you don't have to like everything.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You know, I agree, especially about Alton not being the cause as much as it is the viewers looking for am excuse to feel holier-than-thou about something.

You're dead right that people took his work way too far and assumed that because he was breaking things down into the underlying food science and methodology that the exact preparations he used were default the best, period.

He wasn't prone to that himself, though he did go hard against myths.

He's a terrific food educator. One of the best in television history imo. But you're also dead right about the entertainment side screwing things up. His on screen persona, combined with the structure of good eats as a show made it too easy for food snobs to glom onto the wrong parts

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9/11 also did a number on food shows

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok now I'm hungry and I want to try Polish strawberry pasta.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

I haven't had access to good, fresh strawberries since I heard about it, but even grocery store ones were yummy. Maybe not the best thing ever, I would prefer a strawberry shortcake pretty much every time. But it's essentially the same flavors (excepting the sour cream); the textures are what makes it a new experience.

This is the recipe I used.

It worked really well, maybe fifteen, twenty minutes of work total. I kept things kinda medium chunky. Used a potato masher for maybe ten mashes. Tried it both warm and chilled. The taste was more strawberry forward warm, but it was overall better chilled since the sauce hits the tongue different. It kinda rolls across, deploying the strawberry in layers with the sour cream more. Made for better mouth feel and general taste, at the expense of that vibrant strawberry kick.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I get people wanting to defend the "traditional" preparation of a food, because otherwise you get into weird philosophical "burrito of Theseus" issues, but... You can just slap "non-traditional" on it and then carry on and enjoy the food. If you feel really strongly or it's really out there, call it a fucked up ____ inspired whatever.

One of the best pizzas I ever had was at a pizza place near me that has a "trust us" pizza, where you don't know what it is, but it's new and definitely worth the cost (they're not giving you a plain cheese pizza). It was like a strawberry and anduille pizza with a seasoned sweet white sauce. It was weirdly good.

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[–] NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

Hawaiian pizza was invented by a Greek man running an Italian pizzeria in Toronto inspired by the sweet and sour flavors of Chinese cuisine

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The entire country of Brazil:

[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing is sacred in Brazilian culinary.

Pineapple is probably one of the tamest pizza toppings in my region, which ironically has one of the largest Italian populations.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I live pineapple on pizza.

There is one issue with how pineapple is frequently used on pizza, and that is heat retention. When pizza has large chunks of pineapple they tend to stay hotter a lit longer than the rest of the slice, so even after the sauce has cooled to less than magma temps, the large pibeapple chunks are atill able to melt rocks.

The solution is smaller pineapple chunks of course, and that is even better with ham since it ends up more evenly distributed on the slice in addition to improved temperature consistency.

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[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As a wise man recently said:

🎵 (Don't) Give a fuck about tradition, stop impressin' the dead 🎵

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Tradition is just peer pressure from the dead

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Pineapple on Pizza isn't bad and you're being whiners

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Japan putting ketchup on spaghetti: "Hold my sake."

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[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Fruit goes on cooked flour.

It's been like that for centuries.

Cake. Danish. Fruitcake. Pizza. Filled doughnuts. Kolacky. Raisin bread. Banana bread...

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ya know when ya put Danish I thought you were calling the Danes gay and just kinda accepted it.

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[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Alright guys. How do you all feel about a dessert lasagna?

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

I would like to know more!

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Need to polish them tastes

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Swedes with banana, curry powder, and peanuts on pizza. Along with chicken and pineapple, all together.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love strawberries, that sounds awful, and next strawberry season I would love to try it. Could I have a recipe?

[–] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

There are tons of recipes for fruit pierogi if you google em, they usually include the recipe for the pasta as well. They're little dumplings, basically ravioli. My fiance is polish and I make them for him on occasion with twarog and blueberries, (a simple milk cheese that's really easy to make -you can skip the cheese and serve them with cream which is great too) boil them, then fry them in butter and sprinkle them with powdered sugar.

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

A famous italian chef branded the strawberry and champagne risotto, so maybe not

[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

My polish grandmother used to make us pasta with applesauce. Surprisingly tasty.

I'm terms of pizza, here in Sweden we have the kebab pizza and the banana-curry pizza. The latter one was slightly disappointing in how ok it was.

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

put literally anything on a pizza and watch me continue to live my life unencumbered. Italians are too wrapped up in a national identity of tut-tutting other countries that change their precious recipes.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Italians need to realize that they don't own the concept of putting toppings on a round piece of bread. And tomatoes aren't even native to Italy so that throws a wrench into their ability to complain.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I really can't stand traditionalists. You don't want pineapple on pizza? Don't have it. And don't worry about what other people like to eat.

I was born in Central America and growing up eating pupusas (which are amazing) we used to have bean, cheese and pork. Any time I would ask "why can't pupusas have chicken or fish?" The answer would be "cause that's not traditional". Now the new generation makes them with fish, shrimp, chicken, veggies, etc. And it's so yummy. Keep your traditions and classic recipes, but don't try to stifle my culinary creativity cause of your stupid hangups

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Dude, pupusas are soooooo good.

I’m Canadian and didn’t get to try them until I was in my 20s thanks to my friend.

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[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm a man of strange tastes so I say y'all should carry on with whatever nonsense that pops into your head. How do you think we got to this point as far as the culinary arts go?

[–] Nariom@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Once, out of salt, I put sugar in my fries. It wasn't bad.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

American ketchup is basically corn syrup with red dye, you’re just cutting out the middleman.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

brazilians making stragonoff pizza:

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Ever had spaghetti ice cream with strawberry sauce and grazed white chocolate as "parmesan"

[–] kingvolcano@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Lets not forget pizzas with bananas

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ooh, that actually doesn't sound bad... Slightly tart sweet with the salty tang of the sauce, maybe with a kick of spice from jalapenos... I'll have to give that a try sometime

ETA: I missed that it said "pasta" rather than "pizza", but my comment stands

[–] tupalos@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Is this for real? How has this not been brought up already as a crime against humanity?

[–] pfm@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Chuja się znasz na makaronie, frajerze! /s

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

pasta with strawberries is yummy :3

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

germans when belgians put coriander in wheat beer

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