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Best proprietary LLM these days that includes web search? (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 month ago by SurpriZe@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I know of preplexity, Bing chat, web search on Poe, kagi. Not sure if Gemini 1.5 Pro uses search?

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[–] wewbull 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Web search was a solved problem before LLMs. All the providers lobotomized their tools as a sacrifice to the god of advertising. LLMs have then been applied and it made the situation worse as now you have hallucinations to contend with.

Can we please go back to straight search?

[–] tess@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

This did not answer their question.

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

So what's the best among the bad, then?

[–] confusedwiseman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Kagi has been the closest thing to the google from 2003 that I’ve encountered in a long time. I’ve not tried their assistant that’s only available on the ultimate plan as it’s too expensive for me. FWIW, I have the duo plan, soon to move to the family plan.

The quick answer usually works pretty well and you have access to fastgpt if you want more of the LLM effect.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OpenAI and Claude are head and shoulders above the rest, and have been for more or less the whole race. Gemini occasionally pops into the race and quickly fades away.

It comes down to compute. No small guy is going to ultimately win this race.

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Thanks but I'm talking about web search specifically. Claude and OpenAI don't seem like they have web search capability at the moment.

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ChatGPT does with extensions, but you need to buy the premium subscription

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

You can also flat out just tell it to search the Internet and it will

[–] Elonkilledmymom@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't have premium and it has been doing searches for me. Maybe that was a preview?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When you say web search capability...

OpenAI and Claude both search the web for information regarding answers to prompts. Is that not what you mean?

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Do they? I thought it explicitly says in Claude that it doesn't do that. And where does it say so for GPT? It's trained on older data, and does not pull up fresh information.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Chat GPT absolutely searches the web and provides fresh information. The 4o, 4o canvas, and 4o mini modules all do.

o1 modules don't, yet.

4o canvas is the most capable LLM out there right now.

I guess Claude doesn't. But ooenAI Literally has since 3.0