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Obviously he didnt deserve the harassment he got regardless. Like even if he was dogshit he wouldnt have deserved that. But I just rewatched Phantom Menace for the first time in awhile. Young friend of mine are going through the star wars movies because she was a sheltered homeschooled kid and hadnt seen them. Already did the OT, starting on the prequels.

Other than the obvious "oh wow, the racial stereotypes of literally three different alien species in this movie is insane", the main takeaway my rewatch gave me is "wow ok, Jake LLoyd is average at worst". He was just like, a regular kid actor? Nothing to write home about like say, young Maise Williams or something. But absolutely fine?

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[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago

Grown ass adult star war fans be like

were-gonna-kill-you
We’re going to murder a child for being a child

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah the kid was fine and of course didn't deserve the hate.

The whole movie would have worked better if it just started Anakin closer to the age he is in attack of the clones though. The Jedi are already calling him too old anyway, and it would have made the hotshot piloting fit better and also the start of the Anakin/Padme thing less weird.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I never really got what all the hate was about.

[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unless he wrote his own dialogue, he's absolutely not the problem with the movie. It's actually kind of a fun movie in a shitty bad movie kind of way.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The pod race is genuinely a blast. As are some parts of the final battle. Jar Jar is mostly annoying and definitely a racial stereotype, but some of his lines got a chuckle out of me even today.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

pod race is the best part of the movie and the only reason any kids enjoyed this film

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

As a kid it was my favorite part for sure. But I was pretty into the whole thing. I liked a lot of little things like the design of the Naboo starfighters, the stunning ball weapons the Gungans used, I actually did find Jar Jar funny as a kid, Darth Maul as another person mentioned was super cool. Ect.

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[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Heyy lets not forget, kids (me included) loved Darth Maul. People complain about the choreography being "impractical" and "unrealistic" now but the final battle is so damn hype with Duel of the Fates blasting...

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Being an average child actor is sort of by definition bad. Child actors have not had years to train to convey or even honestly learn a broad array of human emotions. There are sometimes good child actors and they are unusual and, for this reason, noteworthy. (And FWIW I think Jake Lloyd was below-average child actor, but it's not necessary to agree for my point to stand.)

Jake Lloyd was terrible, but like it's not his fault - he was a child. It's Lucas's fault for unnecessarily trying to start his story at childhood, not waiting until a genuinely natural child actor came along and not giving Lloyd (or anyone) natural dialog to work with.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I'd say the last part had a bigger influence than the kids' actual ability shrug-outta-hecks (the natural dialog part). And direction problems too probably. With kid actors I think direction matters a significant amount more than talent.

Anyway obviously I disagree that he was in any way noteably bad. A few lines were wooden but again, I feel that was a direction issue. |

I do think its hard to imagine his story not starting when he was a kid though. So that part I definitively disagree with.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Given that some extremely good actors gave very hollow, wooden and terrible performances for the prequels I am going to blame it on the director as he's the common thread.

Samuel Jackson, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman all sucked extremely bad in these too. It takes effort to make these actors boring and flat.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I actually think TPM is the best prequel film.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sith is the best one by far imo. Legitimately good movie.

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Its fairly definitely RotS for me but TPM is a fair bit better than AotC at least.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Best bad guy in the entire universe, by far

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Maul was the peak of SW character design. Jar jar had a pretty cool design too, regardless of what the character is.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

I was literally his age when the movies came out, don’t understand the hate to this day

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He was one of the least offensive parts of the movie tbh, I think people just didn't like that there was no "main character" to self-insert as.

Anakin is a weird genius messiah-figure slave child, not really relatable and only comes into the movie halfway through and is given very little screen time outside of pod racing (pod races were the best part of the movie though).

Obi-wan was a weird aloof nerd who kept whining about the rules and never expressed any emotion outside of annoyance.

Qui-gon was pretty funny, but died part way through (spoiler). He kinda rocked, as an old burnt out dude who doesn't give a fuck about the rules anymore and has to deal with this annoying hall monitor kid nipping at his heels.

[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

George Lucas brought worse performances from very accomplished actors