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[–] superkret@feddit.org 182 points 3 months ago (5 children)

*folds world map in half
*sticks pencil through

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 3 months ago

I honestly believe that sometimes, my genius, it generates gravity.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You youngsters with your Einstein Rosen-bridges! Always in too much of a hurry to take the scenic route!

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[–] xlash123@sh.itjust.works 167 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Low IQ: it's not a straight line

Medium IQ: it's a geodesic on a sphere, so it is a straight line

High IQ: it's not a straight line

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 89 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

He's right, you know.

About the line?

About everything, damn it!

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a straight line through non-euclidean space

[–] yetiftw@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

unfortunately in reality it is a curved line on a sphere

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

In actual reality there would be wind and water currents diverting any ship sailing that route from the depicted "line" anyway so the whole argument is pointless

The only straight line paths in the universe are followed by electrostatically uncharged non-accelerating objects in free fall in a vacuum. Or massless particles.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

What if we assume the ship is actually a spherical cow

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 126 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It can get a few percent longer if sailing between Madagascar and the rest of Africa but Pakistan-Russia does not have the same ring to it, I guess.


Edit: source (German), they also show the longest land route (across Eurasia of course)

[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago (5 children)

That's not a straight line, although it is possible to follow without changing direction😊

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 81 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I KNOW IT'S BASICALLY A CIRCLE IN 3D SPACE. There is an exact amount of pedantry at play here, and you're going over.

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[–] techt@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

But following the surface of a sphere causes you to constantly change direction

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[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 104 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ridiculous. This line is clearly gay.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (7 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 22 points 3 months ago

Not even 10 am and I'm being erased.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

Never thought I’d get to use “bisectional” outside of JD Vance jokes

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

It’s bi sectional.

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[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

This reminds me of some maps by Andy Woodruff.

They weren't made to find long lines, and picking out a single line can be a tad difficult, but it's very interesting nonetheless.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

South America's reach is incredible, compared to size that is

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well there's the one guy in Northern India who gets a peek at South America from between Madagascar and the African continent.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 58 points 3 months ago

Today on the internet: Fun with spherical geometry.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Your dad and I think you should start looking for a job.

[–] Varven@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can't legally work in my country I'm not old enough

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But still, don't you hunger for the mines?

[–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Fuck it

Eats the mines

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[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

How can any line that is on the surface of a sphere be straight rather than a curve?

[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Haa, here people, we found a flat earth denier...

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago

Earth is a lie.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (7 children)

it's a bit of a "spirit of the law vs letter of the law" kind of thing.

technically speaking, you can't have a straight line on a sphere. but, a very important property of straight lines is that they serve as the shortest paths between two points. (i.e., the shortest path between A and B is given by the line from A to B.) while it doesn't make sense to talk about "straight lines" on a sphere, it does make sense to talk about "shortest paths" on a sphere, and that's the "spirit of the law" approach.

the "shortest paths" are called geodesics, and on the sphere, these correspond to the largest circles that can be drawn on the surface of the sphere. (e.g., the equator is a geodesic.)

i'm not really sure if the line in question is a geodesic, though

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are absolutely correct, but to add on to that even more:

When we talk about space, we usually think about 3D euclidean space. That means that straight lines are the shortest way between two points, parallel lines stay the same distance forever, and a whole bunch of other nice features.

Another way of thinking about objects like the earth is to think of them as 2D spherical manifolds. That means we concern ourself only to the surface of the earth, with no concept of going below the surface or flying up into the sky. In S2 (that's what you call a 2D spherical manifold), and in spherical geometry in general, parallel straight lines will eventually cross, and further on loop back and form a closed loop. Sounds weird, right? Well, we do it all the time. Look at lines of Longitude, for example.

We call the shortest line connecting two points in curved manifolds geodesics, as you said, and for all intents and purposes, they are straight. Remember, there is no concept of leaving the sphere, these two coordinates is all there is.

What one can do, if one wants to, is embed any manifold into a higher-dimensional euclidean one. Geodesics in the embedded manifold are usually not straight in higher-dimensional euclidean space. Geodesics on a sphere, for example, look like great circles in 3D.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 36 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Space-time itself is curved, therefore there is no such thing as a straight line.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Not true, as when space bends, it bends the rulers and compasses too. We experience no spatial distortion.

A person traveling near the speed of light doesn't feel like time is slower for them (but it is and we can measure it)

The principle is equivalent.

That said, it's not a straight line in any topology standard I am aware of.

Sure you could CREATE a topology framework where this would be considered a straight line, but there is no real world model that could come even close without so much mass being concentrated in static relative areas, and EVEN THEN it would only be straight for a predetermined instant before the mass deforming spacetime began interacting with each other.

That's the problem with spacetime deformations, almost no layman takes into account the ridiculous amounts of static mass to make those strange topologies.

[–] kazaika@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Space-time itself is curved, therefore everything is moving in a straight line, it only appears to be curved to the outside observer

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Globists will argue that on a globe this is a straight line. Seen these arguments before, don't work on me

[–] essell@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nice. Be proud.

Dunno what of, but be proud anyway!

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

Thanks! I'm very proud of seeing the truth. Watch this short video and you will being to understand. But watch it to the end, it's short enough

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago

The ending really brings the whole video together. Thanks for sharing!

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago

You've made a believer of me.

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I've seen that video a hundred times and it never fails to disappoint

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

You know, I'd never actually thought of it that way. Very informative video for it's short length. Thank you for sharing.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago

Every line is a straight line in one dimension

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Would clarifying words have helped? "If you only sailed with forward force..." or "Following along the surface of the earth..." or... what?

Obviously they mean that you don't need to make any turns and that straight means an arc around the earth and not through the Earth, unless someone has a very different idea what sailing means...

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Line that is straight in two dimensions.

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[–] nobleshift@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

THAT would be one god damn brutal sail. Both horns, Southern Atlantic crossing followed up by the Indian Ocean.

The range of foulies you would need to bring would be 3/4 of your pack. Foulies underwear and A sock (you're going to lose one anyways)

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There was a conversation I read a while ago that showed how a sailboat could travel a straight line over water from Halifax, Nova Scotia in Canada, travel southeast and end up on the west coast of British Columbia.

Basically sailing from the east coast of Canada to the west coast of Canada in a straight line.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The line was published by David Cooke in this YouTube video. It lies on a plane but is not quite a great circle (in practice, you'd be turning slightly) and good luck sailing over the Antarctic ice shelfs this decade.

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