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[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 251 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (32 children)

You might be wondering why this information isn't public already. Republicans passed a law to keep this information private. Yes, they're protecting the identity of criminals selling guns to cartels.

Fucking vote

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But I was told to be angry at the brown people

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I'm sure they'll find the darkest person in the c-suite to use as a scapegoat.

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I'm voting to stop elites from disarming the proletariat

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

You mean against the "take the guns first" and "blue lives matter" party, right? You're against authoritarians being able to take guns and being able to freely murder citizens who did nothing other than possess a firearm, right?

[–] Liz@midwest.social 5 points 6 months ago

I suggest helping implement Approval Voting and then Sequential Proportional Approval Voting so we can ditch the two party system and have more than one party that supports citizens protecting themselves without having to paradoxically supporting a bunch of policies that target citizens for harmless behavior.

[–] fosho@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

so Republican, got it.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Why would they bother to disarm you? They make billions of dollars a year selling you guns and you're no threat to them at all, physically or politically.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok but what if the proletariat are stupid and have bad taste?

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Then they shouldn't get to vote either.

Edit: Hmm seems like people only like gatekeeping some rights. Interesting. Personally I think if stupid people deserve one right, they deserve the rest of them too, unless they prove themselves to be a danger to society of course which also applies to "the intelligent."

And while we're at it, what is your metric for stupid, not college graduates? Only engineers? "Only people who can spell, (in english)" and so fuck ESL people? Stupid is ~~as stupid does~~ frankly rather subjective, someone who you consider "stupid" for having bad grammar may be a math wizard, better than you, and you never knew, who then is stupid? Both? Neither? "Stupidity" is not a good enough metric to deny anyone any rights. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Last time I made a comment about US guns being sold to cartels I got down voted hard. A bunch of people telling me they would never buy a semi automatic when they have machine guns.

Some stuff just seems like it's designed for cartels. Like their favorite handgun: El Presidente in 38 super

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children)

"Texan Craig Adlong. He pleaded guilty in 2020 for lying on firearm transaction forms, saying the guns were for his personal use. He purchased 95 semi-automatic rifles at Guns Unlimited in Katy, Texas, making seven visits over two months.

Sixty-six of those firearms were recovered in Mexico, according to the leak."

How many is too many "for personal use"?

95 guns of the same type is CLEARLY not for personal use. 13 guns per visit x 7 visits? No questions?

I can see buying multiple guns in different form factors, because they're a tool like anything else, and you need the right size tool for the job.

But if you're out buying 95 #0 Phillips screwdrivers, that's not "for personal use".

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

ATF says multiple sales of rifles must be reported. A "multiple sale" is defined as "when a licensed dealer or pawnbroker sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, more than one semiautomatic rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber) to an unlicensed person."

95 rifles in seven visits obviously qualifies. These absolutely should have been reported.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hey, TIL! But I've never bought more than one semi-automatic rifle at a time so that tracks!

Have you seen the way gun makers are getting around that restriction now?

The new hotness is LEVER ACTION AR-15s:

https://www.offgridweb.com/gear/new-bond-arms-lever-action-ar-15/

https://fightlite.com/hlr-556bpm

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Those have detachable magazines. They fall under this category.

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Lever action is not semi automatic though. Needs both characteristics.

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[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Best use case I can tgink of for multiple copies of the same gun is torture tests? Or something similar where the gun is not expected to be functional afterwards. And even then >~5 is kind of excessive.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I could see that. Multiples of the same gun so you could, I dunno, test one in a salt water environment, freshwater rainforest, desert, arctic, and control.

But 95? Yeah, no.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Hey, that isn't too far from me! I'm absolutely SHOCKED.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

capitalism enabling the cartels causing the drug war to happen?

Who would've guessed.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Drug cartels are black market capitalists.

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[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From 2006-2011 agents in Arizona stood down as straw purchasers illegally bought 2,000 guns at shops, intending to use the information to track trafficking patterns and arrest the kingpins. However, agents didn’t deliver the high-level arrests – and in the process, they lost track of hundreds of guns.

This is the shit I think of when I'm paying my taxes.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This shit is why 2A Advocates were so pissed off about Operation Fast & Furious and wouldn't shut up about it for years. The BATFE forced the gun shops involved to sell the weapons even when they didn't want to!

Seriously, the whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish and when the manure caught fire everyone involved from the Field Agents through AG Eric Holder lied their assess off about it.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

Most Texans are not cool with other Texans destroying Mexico for 30 pieces of silver.

Ok Texas. Do something.

“People are saying”™ that Liberals are behind it.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“I respect that the U.S. government wants this shielded, but it’s frustrating that the information isn’t public,” said Celorio, who is leading his country’s lawsuit against American gun manufacturers and five Arizona gun shops. “I think the average American would be surprised that the fentanyl crisis is nurtured because of the number of firearms going to Mexico to empower the cartels.”

Jfc. :(

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Shipping powders back and forth
Black goes south and white comes north

[–] DFWSAM@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

This illustrates perfectly the need to be able to sue gun manufacturers & retailers. Until they’re hit in the pocketbook, this shit’ll never stop.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

Seeing which Gun Sellers are behind Mexican Cartel Violence is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION!

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There’s two sides to every tortilla and as a gun runner, I’m very upset my personal information might be involved in this hack. We need comprehensive privacy laws and real consequences for data breaches. Otherwise, these tech companies will treat this like a cost of doing business.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Didn't we know this for years?

We're a net-exporter of firearms to south of the border.

In effect, we've created a key component of the problem that inevitably feeds mass migration north to flee said crime and poverty.

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[–] mister_monster@monero.town 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which US weed smokers are behind cartel violence?

[–] mibo80@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Not I, a Californian who grows his own cannabis.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Violence? Shouldn't this be labeled as terrorism?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Drug Cartel violence can sometimes cross the line to terrorism, but usually isn't classified that way. Terrorism is generally defined by targeted attacks against civilians in order to achieve political goals. Most drug cartel violence does not meet that definition.

Drug cartel violence is basically just gang violence. Violence for the sake of maintaining power.

I suppose "terrorism" is a more powerful word that evokes greater emotion from people, but we shouldn't use it inappropriately or we risk separating the word from its own meaning.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I'd say their routine targeting of journalists, celebrities, kidnapping of school children fits that definition of terrorism.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Those aren't mutually exclusive terms.

[–] Doolbs@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Surprised pikachu face

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