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I was wondering , if you will be ready to work fof an organisation that you oppose ideologically , for instance you are against big oil but you get a job interview in exxonmobil with good pay , would you consider it ?

*Edit : Recently a friend of mine got a marketing job for a company that had shady business practices , selling their product to gullible parents. Since it was a marketing job , the pay was good but my friend left it within a week , saying it does not suit his ideology.

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[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on how good the good pay is.

[–] tiny@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

I try to avoid to it but no job will be perfect. You could life style creep and that nice salary turns into handcuffs and you might have issues going back to making less at a more ethical company

[–] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any chance the friend's job was Vector Marketing or "Cutco" knives?

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[–] HeroHiro@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

Yes 100%. I get why everyone would say no, but as someone currently living in poverty without enough money to eat every day, if I could make enough money to live comfortably and the job didn't kill my body I'd work for anyone as long as the job was legal. I'd probably just shit talk the company in my off time or something, it wouldn't matter because I'd be able to afford to have off time.

I sorta do? My employer has been making commitments to improving things, and I'm involved in one of those projects, but they're a very slow ship to turn and I can't say I 100% stand behind what they're generally doing.

I joined out of a mix of necessity, opportunism and the chance to develop new skills, and grew to like the specific job I'm doing. I didn't have many choices for private reasons, but needed the money when I signed up, so in a way the money was good enough to compromise on ethics.

I got a permanent position now, and again, I stuck for personal reasons, to improve my future prospects and because I like the job, but for all the security a permanent position offers, I'm still planning to start looking for different opportunities when circumstances allow, unless the internal culture makes some masive progress in the next two years.

In the medium run? Not sure. I'd like to think I'd compromise money over ideology, but I also know that I tend to be selfish and really good at mental gymnastics to justify decisions. I would probably not sign on with Exxon, so there's definitely the severity of opposition to account for, but there isn't any clear line that I'd swear my life on. On the other hand, if the money was enough to support political causes that I feel (or tell myself) would weigh up the toll on my conscience, I might fold.

In the long run, I hope to get to a point where I can answer that with a firm "No". Maybe once life stabilises, I'll grow firmer in my convictions. Maybe once the question of pay shifts from covering necessities to the amount of luxury I can afford, the exact number will lose meaning. Maybe I'll find a place that I both support fully and earn enough at that any more would feel obscene anyway.

So basically, it comes down to the factors of

  1. How strongly do I oppose the company?
  2. How much money, compared to what I need to live, and compared to what I need to support a pleasant lifestyle?
  3. Where am I on the scale from nihilism to idealism at the given point in time?
[–] spiderman@ani.social 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on how well the pay is and whether there is a healthy stage for me to voice out my opinion on the things and whether they would respect that.

[–] jesterraiin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, unless:

  • I would be tricked into it without the possibility to exit it immediately
  • I didn't realize it's not what it claimed to be
  • There would be no other way to put food onto a platter (I am ready to perform as an exotic dancer in LGBTQ+ clubs, if need be)
  • The corpo in talking would be large, transnational and the problem would concern only some distant part of it, one I wouldn't have any contact with.

But, of course, these scenarios are "once in a lifetime" kind of mental exercise. Nothing more. The answer is "no".

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They cannot be corrupt and amoral in the same time. Please choose :)

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

It really depends on the job. I'd probably work for any tech company if the price was right, but I wouldn't work for a right-wing publication or think tank ever.

[–] UnicornKitty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nope. To be fair I wouldn't look at the sticker price if it was a company of ill repute. I would have to be offered the CEO of that company so I can fix it. Only way.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

For the right money, I'd do most any job regardless of who it's with.

[–] msbeta1421@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Yes. We will never be able to change the things we want to change unless we first understand them. Also, money.

[–] Driftking@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell yeah. This planet is doomed anyway. I already do that earning a cool quarter mil a year. Honestlt couldn't give a shit about the rest of you

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