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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 99 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Immigration absolutely helps the US economy, because it parasitically siphons all the skilled workers out of other countries that it underdevelops and hoards their labor for itself.

People think remittances help underdeveloped countries, but labor is the superior of capital, losing that skilled labor is never worth the paltry sums that get sent back home. It's just another shape that imperialism takes.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

In Canada we heavily base immigration on education. So we're siphoning off the best educated of other countries. I mean this is just fucking those countries.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's truly one of the worst things about brain drain / educated people moving to the imperial core countries for the high salaries. Global south countries really need educated young people helping to solve their own problems, and Canada and the US rip out their heart and soul.

At least in tech / programming, a good chunk of us are devoting most of our labor time to not just wasteful things, but actively harmful things, like trying to get people to click on ads, or increasing viral engagement.

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[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

I get what you two are saying, but this kind of removes agency from the people doing the moving.

Also: Should people not be allowed to move to another country if they’re “too useful” or “skilled”?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

People make their own history, but they do not make it as they please. Our material conditions limit our agency. We go where the jobs are, where the money is, where the possibilities for a better future are. Those are all choices.

But you can't ignore the material conditions that lead to those choices. We aren't just free floating agents in a sea of possibilities.

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[–] Monstera@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hi, one of the people that did the move: they are absolutely right. I got through uni and masters for free at federal universities, my education is amazing. My country gets nothing back because there is no industry there that'd take me and university positions are limited.

I made the bese choice for myself and am aware of how bad my choice is for home

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That's not it, but in many cases Western imperialism is involved in the conditions that made these people want to leave in the first place.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People don't have free agency to move to any country they want. In my view the free agency which you say is being removed never actually existed in the first place.

But I do find it funny that "give me your poor" (yes I'm borrowing from the US) turned into "give me your elite".

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[–] chayleaf@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

There's no agency in the market. That's the entire point of markets - being independent of a single human's whims and being an equalizing force, the "invisible hand".

And the entire point of communism is getting that agency, having production for the sake of humans rather than humans for the sake of production.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 77 points 7 months ago

The president made the remark while arguing that Japan, along with Russia and China, would perform better economically if the countries embraced immigration more.

Oh, well that's true enough. Japan is crazy anti immigration despite that being a solution to their low birth rate.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 72 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I can't speak to Russia or China, but Japan has a history of xenophobia going back CENTURIES. It's not exactly a newsflash.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

True, also: from what I understand, Korea has been historically worse.

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[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Even still, it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

That pot better be careful around police...

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[–] swiftcasty@kbin.social 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Why am I seeing multiple news reports today about Joe Biden where they remove context to polarize his comments further? This feels, to me, like a new media trend

[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)
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[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago

It ain't new, half of W's bushisms were an attempt to avoid giving news media a sound bite or quote out of context

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[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 36 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Japan simply is xenophobic. I lived there for 2 years. That's just a fact.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

He's not wrong but also I believe there's a saying in English about stones and glass houses.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Even the most bigoted parts of the US are nowhere near as xenophobic as Japan. Housing discrimination based on race is still perfectly acceptable over there, many people will refuse to rent to foreigners.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

China xenophobic? I don’t think Biden knows what the word means. The oldest mosque outside of the Middle East is in China of all places built in 627 CE, and still standing.

What happened to the mosques in Spain and Occupied Palestine? Turned into bars and chicken coops.

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[–] reaper_cushions@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 21 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I mean he's not wrong, but where does he expect China to get immigrants from? They're 20% of the world.

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[–] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago
[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 months ago
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago (29 children)
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[–] cmdr_nova@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

As neat as Japan sounds and as much as I’d like to be there, I mean, he’s not wrong

I watch YouTubers who moved to and live there talk about how they’re just indefinitely treated like a tourist

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think "extremely ethnocentric" is a more fair description/criticism of Japan. Close to 98% of their population is ethnically homogeneous, so it kinda makes sense.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago

You'd be wrong

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yet Japan still bows down to their masters in DC. Can Japan for once wake up along with occupied Korea?

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

There are a lot of people in South Korea that hates the US and Japan way more than the DPRK or China. There are still a strong anti-US sentiment in Okinawa and near US bases in Japan, these led to the 1960 and 1970 Anpo protests in Japan.

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