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[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 81 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Inmate number is most appropriate

[–] atp2112@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

no exceptions

William Henry Harrison?

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Especially him. Couldn't even finish his first year. Slacker.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 months ago

This one I can get behind.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

Something something great men are almost always bad men

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Emily Post says:

When addressing a former President of the United States in a formal setting, the correct form is “Mr. LastName.” (“President LastName” or “Mr. President” are terms reserved for the current head of state.) This is true for other ex-officials, as well. When talking about the person to a third party, on the other hand, it’s appropriate to say, “former President LastName.” This holds for introductions, as well: A current state governor is introduced as “Governor Tom Smith,” while you’d introduce an ex-governor as “former Governor Jim Bell.”

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And from an embassy’s official page:

Addressing Former Presidents

When sending letters to former Presidents, the proper form for addressing the envelope is: The Honorable (President’s name)

The proper form for the salutation in the letter is: Dear Mr. (President’s last name)

But I vaguely remember military training suggesting that using President Name was a correct term when referring to former presidents. Possibly not though, and I didn’t work in protocol, so the state department seems like a pretty good resource.

[–] tarmac@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

It reads to me like they’re just avoiding repeating “former” over and over. It’s already established it’s the former president earlier in the text.

[–] z00s@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

The Defendant

[–] Zip2 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I believe “Cunt” applies to the last one. Mr or President, take your pick.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Mr Cunt? I like it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Depends on if he’s a demented rapist traitor or not.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 10 points 7 months ago

Hey asshole!

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The current President is "President ".

Former presidents are "Mr. " or "Former President " depending on the context in which they are being referred to.

Anybody still calling Obama or Trump "president" are just virtue signaling.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

:stares in Australian:

We don't address people by their job title here, and we'd laugh in your face if you insisted on it.

Perhaps a small exception for 'doctor', but that's acknowledging the doctorate, not the job.

[–] z00s@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We do, but only for the current PM. Once you're out though, it's back to Mr / Ms

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

If you think the words 'prime minister Morrison' would ever have passed my lips...

... or 'prime minister Albo' for that matter, they're all overgrown fucking real estate agents.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yet the idea underpinning it is sound. It's to separate the office from the individual. If you attach reverence to the role, not the person, you make it easier to change the person and avoid dictatorship.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't read that way to me - I see it far more as "you have won at life, you are better than other humans", exactly the kind of thing narcissists crave.

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[–] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Most medical doctors arehonorary doctors- they generally don't have PhD (doctorate in their own right)

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I find using doctor without a medical degree to be, I dunno, crass. Its the old. IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE. Im a doctor. thank god can you help this man. of philosophy.

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Eh, you earn the title by doing your thesis and expanding humanity's sphere of knowledge a little bit. Medical doctors may claim it but they don't get exclusive rights to it just because they want it.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

oh sure. not saying they earned it but I find the ones who get one and actually want to use the title to be folks I don't vibe as well with. I do tend toward academia though so there is professor in that case.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If it's Donald Trump, the proper way to address him is:

🖕🖕

Everyone else is "Mr. President."

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I'm partial to

Hey! Bitch!

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

depends. normally "former president X", but if they have been impeached then you say "IMPEACHED former president X" unless they lost the popular vote then its "UNPOPULAR IMPEACHED former president X" unless they lost an election like a one termer then its "ONE TERM LOSER UNPOPULAR IMPEACHED former president X". Its important to be accurate.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We may soon be able to tack CONVICTED FELON onto that list.

If it's too unwieldy after that, perhaps just use their prisoner ID number.

[–] RemembertheApollo@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

President Felonius Trump.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 3 points 7 months ago

Unpopular, impeached, sex offender former president

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I like "Two time popular vote loser"

Going for the three-peat!

[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Too long. Loser or inmate # are appropriate.

[–] lapislazuli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago

In Finland, even former presidents are addressed as President so and so.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

However they wish to be addressed. Nothing in properness or etiquette is necessarily objective. If I was president, I'd let you use my actual name.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

You're welcome (and there is some flexibility there).

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago

Depends on the context and how conservative you are (in the sense of tradition for tradition, not politics or anything else). Tradition holds that you call someone at that level of elected office by their previous title. If you want to break with tradition, you can call them whatever you want. You didn’t sign any legally binding agreements that say you have to call someone a fancy title. This holds for judges, doctors, and other people that think random chance and living their life gives them a special name that you don’t get.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Depends on the president. The current one I'd go with "heya Joe" but the former one I'd go with "hey jackass."

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I know it's not "correct" but I would just call them Mr/Mrs, they aren't president any more.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Individual 1

[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

“2020 election loser”

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

IIRC customarily a former president of the United States of America is still addressed as, “Mr. President.” In written form such as a news article I think it would be “former-president Clinton” or “former-president George H. W. Bush” if you need to distinguish between two presidents with the same last name, and subsequent references would be to “Mr. Clinton” or “Mr. Bush” as long as there’s no ambiguity, but I would defer to whatever style guide applies to your writing. I’m pretty sure that’s covered in the AP Stylebook and that’s as good an authority as any for US English. I have an old copy somewhere but it’s not easily accessible right now.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago
[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

War criminal

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I address current president as Mr. so the question is kinda moot.

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