this post was submitted on 30 May 2024
422 points (98.4% liked)

News

23413 readers
3005 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was a criminal conviction, you're confused.

"we cannot claim he has been convicted for such a crime" - do not claim that. This was a civil case, not a criminal case, so when trump was found liable for rape, he was not "convicted", a legal term used to define guilt in a criminal case, not a civil case.

The likelihood of his guilt in raping Carroll in this civil case is called his "liability".

As a consequence of the evidence presented, trump was found liable of sexual assault that is defined as rape in most states, and the judge presiding over that case clarified that Trump was found liable(legal term for "responsible"), for the rape of Jean Carroll, since the only thing that differs between this sexual assault and rape was New York's antiquated legal wording that has since been updated.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is what I said. We all agree.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You are still confused.

I appreciate your backpedal, but no we do not agree.

  1. You disagree with the judge and jury that dumps was found liable for rape.

I agree with the judge and jury that dumps was found liable for rape.

  1. Parroting part of what I said, then pretending you said it first while you equivocate rape and bash straw men is much less agreeable than you appear to think it is.

If your greatest desire is pedantry, you should try it on someone who didn't supply you with your information.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't play make believe if you aren't ready for the real world.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You are very hostile. I'm not sure what your problem is.

There is no argument to be had here. We've both expressed the same points and we are agreeing.

Touch grass man. Life is good.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't appreciate your attempts at manipulation and called you out on them.

You seem upset you got caught and upset you aren't being allowed to keep making things up.

We do not agree, you're attempting to equivocate your poor conduct with my straight talk.

Not how it works. By all means, "touch grass".

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah man, look I'm sorry you feel that way. I wish you all the best.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No you don't, or you would engage honestly instead of trying to manipulate the conversation and imply I've written something I haven't.

"I'm sorry you feel that way" is textbook gaslighting, a quick way to use the correct apology language to end an argument without having to admit fault” (Forsythe, 2021).

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mental-health-revolution/202203/i-m-sorry-you-feel-way-and-other-gaslighting-tactics

  • Gaslighting is psychological abuse through verbal, written, and/or physical actions that cause the recipient to question their reality.

  • A non-apology is used to deflect, pretend to apologize, and ultimately win the disagreement by placing blame back on the individual.

  • The insensitivity of gaslighting often lies in the lack of self-awareness and self-inquiry to address control issues and avoidance of apologies.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I'm not that invested here. It's cool, we're good.

I don't have a horse in this race.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Another obvious affectation, are you trying to collect them all?

You're over a dozen comments deep into this conversation, using insults, equivocation, gaslighting and manipulation trying to avoid admitting your clear mistakes and errors in judgment.

It's natural that you would keep trying to avoid responsibility, but you are repeatedly trying way too hard to trick people and make up stories to pretend you don't care.