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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What if you wake up in hell, or on the next plane of existence, knowing that a soulless likeness of you is carrying on with your friends and family as if nothing happened, and nobody will mourn for your death?

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Nah, this is Star Trek. They'll come get me

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

Only if you're a named character I'm afraid

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Soulless likeness? If it has a perfect copy of my brain, then it has my soul and for all intents and purposes is me

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the transporter kills you, then whatever "you" are is gone. What is replicated at the end of the transporter is just a facsimile. It acts like you, and thinks like you, but it is not you. You are dead.

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Sure it is. My current specific conciousness won't get preserved, but guess what, I lose consciousness every night. From the perspective of the me that arrives on the other end, it'll be just like waking up. They have all my memories, mannerisms, personality, there are no differences between them and me besides the fact that my conciousness doesn't continue. From their point of view, they have continuity of existence. From their perspective, and from outsiders perspective, there's no difference, for all intents and purposes they are me. Why would I feel bad about them living our life? "You are dead". When I go to sleep, my conciousness ends, and in the morning someone who has my memories and personality and mannerisms gains consciousness. I really don't see the difference.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

The theory doesn't work if you don't believe that you are more than the sum of your parts. If there is no soul, then the transportation or duplication presents no issues. But if there is a soul, and it dies when your body is shredded at an atomic level, then whatever comes out the other end is not "you". Your soul goes on to whatever the next plane of existence is. Unless somehow the soul is also able to survive the transportation event, in which case it's fine. The issue Bones and others like him had is that they didn't believe that the soul survived the event.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Whether or not you lose consciousness entirely during sleep is kind of hazy. Like, you are to some extent aware of your surroundings. Even people in comas can react to external stimulus. If we fully lost consciousness whenever we went to sleep, it would be impossible to rouse someone to wake