Erdogan is a fascist who's responsible for genocide in Northern Syria. He doesn't give a fuck about Palestinians or the genocide Israel is carrying out against them. He is aligned with Hamas and terrorism because disrupts regional power and gives him opportunities. This is an opportunity for him, and nothing more. His government backed Isis before. This is the same.

It has nothing to do with the very real need to end the genocide of Palestinians or the legitimate desire of Palestinians to resist their oppression. He aligns himself with horrible people because he is himself horrible.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

On the contrary. Erdogan is aligned with America and israel. Aside from lip-service this man does not help Hamas nor Palestine.

2022- Israel’s Benny Gantz relaunches defence ties with Turkey

After months of warming ties, Israel and Turkey announced on August 17 the full restoration of relations and the return of ambassadors to both countries.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It would have been more accurate for me to say that he's not really aligned with anyone. He works with Israel and the US when it benefits him, he works with Russia and Hamas when it benefits him. He does whatever will get him more regional power.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I semi agree, but Turkey has chosen a very obvious pro-America position.

Just recently they bought more F16's from America. This would obviously not be allowed if they were actually going to help Palestine

29 Jan 2024 - US approves $23bn sale of F-16 war planes to Turkey

The Biden administration has announced its approved a $US23 billion deal to sell F-16 warplanes to Turkey, after Ankara ratified Sweden’s Nato membership, the state department said.

Turkey will get 40 new F-16s and upgrades to 79 of the jets in its existing fleet, the state department said in a news release.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Erdogan has been close to Putin for a long time. He's one of the most extreme authoritarians in the NATO alliance. The US has armed it's enemies in the past, and I don't think it's short sightedness has changed.

I don't believe that Erdogan will help Palestinians, but he very well may materially support Hamas as long as he doesn't do it openly enough to cause problems. I mean, Netanyahu propped up Hamas for years in order to forward his interests. No one would care if Erdogan helped justify continuing the genocide by making Hamas more dangerous to Israelis, as long as he didn't send any American weapons to them.

But perhaps I'm just extremely cynical.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Erdogan just wants more power, and money in his bank account. He does not care about his population nor any religious values. He is practically the Turkish Trump.

Turkey was one of the first that sent their weapons to Ukraine against Russia, they had a lot of Bayraktar compilations at the start of the Russian invasion.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. His relationship with the US is just as cynical as it is with Russia, and as it is with any country or people (including his own). He will do or say anything that gets him more power. That means he'll be a solid US ally as long as the US is completely stable and functional, and he will take advantage of any weakness (like he did with Trump letting him murder Kurds in Syria).

I think we're in violent agreement about the overall with perhaps subtle difference in the details.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah I think we only slightly disagree on the amount the Erdogan will stick with America. To me it feels like he will never oppose them until America reaches a clear losing position.

Though America did likely try to replace him with Gulen in 2016 so you might be right that Erdogan is still volatile.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

The moment (for the thousandth time) when your country's leader sells your country to western resource firms, licks boots of the 5th US president he has shaken hands with, turns a blind eye to PKK-YPG terror organization support in Sweden and concedes without any firm action for the promises made to stop overt support, buys shitton of literal trash from the European countries, gets kicked out of F-35 programme although being one fo the 6 founding countries because the US wouldn't sell Patriot system at first, then the country still gets called genociding on its effort on the border to provide stability in the face Syrian army and ISIS first, now the PKK-YPG that is overtly supported by the US and the west.

Western hypocrisy at full display once again.

[–] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Correct.