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Wants that the concerns of people are taken seriously, but uses alt right dogwhistles like 'immigration is a problem' & 'globalist are destroying this country'. Both are absolut non-problems of the common folk, but are used in line with real problems, like rising cost of living.
You, sir, are a clown.
Yeah thats a problem I frequently see. People arguing that we should solve "the problems" and then naming things that fascists made up and actually aren't real problems. How does one solve a problem that doesn't exist but people have been made to think it exists by lying fascists? Telling them that what the fascists say is a lie won't help either cause they are not willing to accept other opinions
And that's what's called populism
It's not concerns, it's fear. The problems are not automation or immigration. The problem is empoverishment.
People fear about automation and immigration because they're sold the idea that they must work or die, but there isn't work for everyone. The liberals love this idea because it enslaves people to their work. Fascists love these ideas because it gives them an enemy to fight for a culture war.
And here you have an alliance of fascists and liberals. Exactly like in the 30s.
What's wrong with automation?
I'm a union auto worker and let me tell you, I'm more scared of automation taking my job with no social safety net than I am of industrial accidents.
And what's the alternative? Stopping progress and keeping menial jobs on life support just to pay people a wage is ludicrous. Automation has been replacing jobs since watermills and oxen, it is a form of liberation. The current rate will probably cause a lot of upheaval yes, but it's a necessary evil.
You missed the part of a social safety net. Many countries that have one have it barely functioning thanks to decades upon decades of cuts and then you have the USA which is practically third world.
I did not. That's what I alluded to in my last sentence. But I believe the bigger picture is more important and that automation is a step towards getting out of consumerism, exponential growth and job creation just to keep the bar moving, which all ties in to why we're in this situation in the first place. It allows us to reevaluate what's important in life.
Great so you're going to feed my kids and pay my mortgage then? What a tone deaf, braindead, out of touch response.
Disruption is a necessary evil. Letting the cost fall on the people whose jobs are eliminated is a choice our leaders make.
What's wrong with globalism?
Everything is becoming decentralized because it offers a fairer, more level playing field. Except in governance, where things move towards a consolidation of power under the guise of unity and progress with the net result being that the voice of the person becomes a distant cry.
Having a larger base horizontally doesn't imply a higher vertical peak.
I can hear that dog whistle from the other side of the planet.