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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Exile as punishment for a crime and keeping slaves is distinct from having a border with border controls.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

The penalty for returning was death.

Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Literally whether you can control human migration between territories.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But if you can throw people out, and kill them when they come back why is it that different?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

But it makes it much harder to control who is in a space, which means in practice there are additional liberties.