I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] Flax_vert 98 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They'd hoover up your data regardless lmao. Anything you post here is fair game. It's not the same as Instagram measuring how much you look at a post or your location.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah so many people misunderstand data on ActivityPub.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

So you post on social media because you want te be publicly discovered? Yes
Then why are you whining because your public posts were publicly discovered?

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If that were the only argument I might consider your point, but there's also the point of troll farms. You can easily identify a third party troll farm fedi instance, but Zuckerberg will keep them anonymous as long as they keep paying him. Are you not aware of the amount of shills and trolls we got on reddit advocating for:

Russia
Conservative republicans
Conspiracy theories
Corporations such as Monsanto

I'm not fucking kidding, if you paid ANY attention to what happened to Reddit in the years after Spez took control, you'd realize that amplifying voices funded by corporate or foreign government money is bad for fucking everyone.

Facebook has shown, time after time, that they don't give a shit about actual free speech, democracy, human rights or even complying with the law.

Why do you keep treating them as if they were only a social network? Have you been living under a fucking rock?

If you like corporate social networks so much, go back to reddit.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I still prefer blocking it myself and having the control myself.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Well on Lemmy it's fake control considering this system wasn't really designed to safeguard against malicious actors but rather to stop snowflakes from being offended.

Also the instance blocking feature doesn't even block users, which you and everyone else suggesting people use it would know if you even read the changelog for 0.19 and saw this little qualifier right here:

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

If you want real control yourself what you need is your own Lemmy instance, or to co-operate a Lemmy instance with somebody else.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, this whole whiney demand to defed threads is dumb.

[–] sour@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

because only argument is about data ._.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I know exactly what you mean. People talk about how "anything can be scraped anyway" and don't understand how instances can lock down public timelines, enable whitelist federation and require authorized fetch for federating - at least on the actor-based fedi platforms like Mastodon.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 20 points 11 months ago

public timelines, enable whitelist federation and require authorized fetch for federating

And all of that can be circumvented by pulling the data via the RSS feeds or plain old scraping.

Authorized fetch and domain blocks may be effective to stop drive-by trolls, but do nothing to stop anyone with a minimal amount of resources and interest in scraping data from a social network.

The reality is simple: all information that you put on the web should be considered as publicly available. Those that want or need absolute privacy should not use information in the fediverse and resort only to provably secure communication protocols.

[–] ethan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I don’t know of any major instances that have enabled any of those… And all getting around it would take is to create an account on the instance- which for instances without admin approval can be done fully programmatically anyway so it wouldn’t even require human intervention, just a few extra lines of code.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If your instance is federated it doesn't matter how "locked down" your instance is it's pushing data out of the walled garden lol

And that's ignoring the fact you can just create an account on the target instance then hit the instance's API