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The media won't give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports that Russia was winning the war, if that's true, did the west miscalculate the situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a large plethora of military resources?

PS: I realize there are many casualties on both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it's convenience a free and democratic country.

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[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And they were very close to doing just that until the west stepped in and told Ukraine to stop negotiating https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms

[โ€“] Diva@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wish it wasn't paywalled, I remember being hopeful something might happen but then Boris showed up- people still talk about it, just not always in english.

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Bojo sabotaging the negotiations was a heinous crime against humanity. Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result and millions more had their lives ruined.

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[โ€“] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Britain has the geopolitical relevance of the North Sentinel island and Boris can't even control his hair not to mention a foreign nation. Even if he told Ukraine to not negotiate why would they listen?

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Boris is just the messenger boy for the empire.

[โ€“] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But why? The US has plenty of people to deliver a message like that that would actually be believable, like if Boris told another country that the US wants this or that it just would sound like he's lying. This whole thing sounds too convoluted and ridiculous to be true.

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

I mean that's what Ukrainian chief negotiator told us himself now, and this is what western media admits. UK has always acted as a running dog for the US, and I'm not sure why anybody would find the idea of Boris being the one to deliver the terms to Ukraine as a representative of NATO convoluted or ridiculous. Boris represents the country that's most closely aligned in US in Europe, this makes him the natural person to go and tell Ukraine what NATO and US want from them. You seem to be making this more complicated than it is.