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Found in the comments of a youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI6py78gsI (I didn't watch because I never watch youtube videos, only reading the comments.

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ok but the vegan society, the literal originator of the word, disagrees with that.

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

I agree that many people view veganism as a diet, but they're wrong. It's a position of ignorance. you can probably find masses of people who understand feminism to be a superiority movement about oppressing men but that doesn't make that true.

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but the difference is there is no dictionary definition that supports that definition of feminism. It’s just an interpretation. You could say the same thing about veganism as being a philosophy that animals are superior to people. That’s a more direct metaphor and you would be just as wrong, and no dictionary would agree with you.

Any “ism” will have multiple ways to define it, and those who coin a term don’t get to define its evolution. If you want to take the “GNU/Linux” approach and insist everyone else is using the word wrong then go for it. But in modern parlance, “vegan” is frequently if not almost always used to refer to the diet, whereas “veganism” does evoke the stricter definition you’re touting.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago

Dictionaries are just someone's attempt to record how people use words. They're not authorities on meaning, just records of use.

If someone says they're vegan you would expect them to use no animal products, including clothing, nail polish, colour pigments etc. That's not controversial, you can find shampoo and jackets marked as vegan it is a common understanding. That is just incoherent with health motivations, and indeed many "vegan for health " people do use animal products and have cheat days and crap. They aren't vegan, they're just dieting.

People call themselves lots of crap, doesn't make it true.