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[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

However, Israel's goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they'll, make bullshit excuses of why that's not possible.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

So you are saying the Islamic State / IS / Daesh was also the product of „conditions that made them necessary“?

However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.

Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

Did they? Or is it Netanyahu? Palestinian Authority had repeatedly demand for the 1948 border to be respected, and evict all the violent illegal settler from the west bank, and Israel repeatedly refused.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago

You either talk about Hamas, or you talk about Palestinian Authority, both are different entity and you're just disingenuous for thinking they're the same and you should feel bad.

[–] saze 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"they have denied every attempt at two state solution"

Usual Israeli propaganda to continue the victimhood facade. Israel takes a shit on what a two-state solution should look like, of course the Arabs will bloody reject it.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, you should probably hear it from Hamas directly, what they think about peace:

https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html

[–] saze 1 points 1 year ago

Hamas is not the magical conversation stopper that is in within Israel. Hamas is the direct result of Israel's foreign policy and sidelining of moderate elements. Quoting Hamas is like quoting a frothing settler or Likud party member.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference is the fact that gangs didn't just go around and steal all the food from their own neighbors to make sure they all remained poor and starving on purpose. It's not a good comparison at all.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sure, it's Hamas that makes Palestinians poor and not the economic blockade enforced by the Israeli offense force. And the bulldozing. And the constant bombardment. And the settler incursions. 🤣

[–] Aleric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Old DoomBot there is chock full of bad arguments with a helpful dose of plugging their ears, closing their eyes, and humming loudly when facts don't fit their worldview.

Don't expect anything like internally consistent logic or any sort of concessions from them. Their goal posts move far and often. I'd block them but they're good for a laugh.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

And certainly not Israel giving Palestinians in Gaza permits to work low paying slave jobs that they would otherwise not have to work 🤣 Israel is a fucking clown I swear

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Yes, it is in fact Hamas. They take all the aid brought in and use it to build terror tunnels and keep their own stock. That's why Hamas still has plenty of food, fuel, and medicine, while the Palestinian people are short on all of that.