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Your point is dying a meaningless death in an imagined heroic act in an imagined fascist overthrow? Please excuse me for not arguing with that, I wouldn't know where to start, seeing our diametrically opposed views on the meaning of life in general.
Kids are being killed in schools which is bad. Having guns as easily accessible as they are now helps kids being killed in schools which is bad. Not having guns as easily accessible as they are now would be better.
Do fight back when the imaginary fascist overthrow takes place. Do not make guns easily accessible so someone can kill kids in schools. It's not that difficult of a concept, really.
How do you think the fascists might be held back? By pointing a useless stick at their army equipment? Grow up. You hold back fascist shit by not letting it take root. The US leaves systemic issues unsolved which benefits fascist shit. "Oh, but it's our evil politicians, don't yo-" Then go protest and don't stop until they do what you tell them to do. Other, allegedly less "free" and "great" countries have done it.
I don't disagree with the facts, I disagree with your deduction. Protesting and striking now is the way, not preparing for the "inevitable" fascist overthrow somewhere down the line while shrugging off the piles of dead kids.
This sort of this isn't possible in the US because the police forces are equipped like armies.
Which is why they will come in bigger numbers and equipped with bigger guns. Come on, what would you do in their place? Imagine living in a fascist hellhole and finally the people voted in a left-wing government that is willing to clean up the country of actual fascists. Oh, but the fascists own private guns, you know! Some of them up to 40! Do you think there's a small possibility you might have a chance with unlimited money and resources at your disposal?
If you're scared of a fascist overthrow, act now. Don't watch more kids die just to keep up an illusion.
I know this is a weird way to look at it, but the meaning of that death manifests in the past.
It is before that death that, because it would involve danger to the attacker even if it’s death for the defender, the willingness to die has its effect.
I’m not trying to sound mystical or esoteric here. I’m just trying to use new language to describe the same concept because it just doesn’t get through for some reason.
Like deterrence is one kid saying “If you smash my xbox, I’ll smash yours”.
Smashing the second xbox doesn’t save the first xbox. Promising to smash the second xbox is what saves the first xbox. The second smashing happens after the first smashing and therefore cannot affect the first smashing since causality goes forward in time. The purpose of the second smashing is to keep, ie validate, the promise made before the first smashing.
It’s a weird, abstract thing. To me it kinda feels like imaginary numbers in math. Like they don’t exist but using them works on things that do exist.
There’s no causal arrow from the second smashing back to the first smashing, but doing your “math” as if the second smashing is a reality, like as if it “already” exists there in the future, changes the probability of the first smashing.
I keep going long-winded with this but what I’m really trying to say is, do you really not grok how “If you do this thing I’ll punish you for it” shapes behavior?
I know what deterrence means. I'm telling you deterrence doesn't work if one side has access to unlimited amounts of Xboxes. They don't care if you smash their Xbox because they simply buy a new one and then they kill you anyway.