Whether or not the person is a piece of shit is irrelevant and ad hominem. If Hitler said 1 + 1 = 2, Hitler is right. You don't get to deny that just because you hate the person. Shitty people can make correct statements and they can achieve things. Doesn't matter which name we apply to it. We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.

[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure what any of this has to do with the fact that some people would prefer not to see this shithead's face. He's probably wrong about most things but that's not really what this meme is about. This meme is about whether we want to see his face constantly or not. Many would prefer not to see it.

What this meme is not about? Saying Hitler is wrong because he's Hitler...

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago

This meme is about whether we want to see his face constantly or not. Many would prefer not to see it.

That's not the premise I drew from what this post is about. It's not a question of what we prefer to see. It's a question of if he deserves the meme format. But I guess we can simply disagree on that point.

Even if it's a question of preference, I would still argue the same. We can't just live our lives purely through our preferences. We have to face reality of how things are. And Crowder is the face of the meme, whether we like it or not. He is the one attributed to this meme, and will continue to be regardless of preference.

[–] slice1@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Main problem is: Steven Crowder did not make the meme. People made a meme out of him. There was no "format" - he wanted to be edgy and debate. Then, he became a meme. Nothing to take from, nor attribute to him.

However, I much prefer Calvin and never want to see anything related to Steven Crowder. And what was that about Hitler? ..that...just...wow ...

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.

Why not have personal feelings about someone that sucks? We're not in a court of law deciding on whether someone should go to prison FFS. We're on a silly website deciding whether a dumb meme is entertaining or not. If a meme is associated with a shit person which results in bad feelings, those feelings negatively impact the entertainment value of the meme.

Hitler made paintings. Not wanting to hang a painting made by Hitler it your house doesn't mean someone thinks all paintings suck. It just means they think Hitler sucks and would prefer not to be reminded of the shit Hitler did every time they walk into the living room. You're saying that people should somehow forget that Hitler made those paintings and enjoy them for the paintings themselves and forget about the person that made them. But that's just not how brains work, dude. People do think of the person who made the art when forming opinions about something that's so very subjective.

[–] AaronMaria@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What correct statement are you even talking about how is that hypothetical relevant at all? Is a format a fact now?

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

The correct statement is that he popularized this format of "change my mind." Therefore, the attribution goes to him.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank fuck there's someone on this website that still has brains.

The way most people around here operate Good = smart and bad = dumb.

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that's the way most people operate anywhere, not just this website.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I feel like it's the chronically online who have it worse.