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Okay but how's their safety?
Probably on par with how the other safety stuff in the country is. Bad, not talked about, and actively suppressed if discovered.
I've got no reason to believe they're doing anything dangerous. I found this piece which indicates that they did a review in the wake of Fukushima. Sounds like things were adequate but they also found things to improve. Do you have reason to believe China is not taking safety seriously in there nuclear energy program?
China moves to strengthen nuclear safety standards and moderate the pace of its nuclear power development
If the China government were doing the wrong thing, would Chinese scientists and engineers be safe to say so, or would they be subject to imprisonment and torture for disagreeing with their political superiors?
Without freedom of political speech there is no freedom to tell the truth on matters of political controversy. This includes environmental and safety issues.
It goes the other way too. The Chinese government harshly punishes those who take dangerous shortcuts that undermine public safety and trust. The 2008 baby formula scandal comes to mind, which led to the execution of two executives for their crimes.
Anyway, nuclear power has proven to be very safe under all types of government. To say that it would somehow be less safe in China is maybe just a little bit sinophobic.
White man wonders if yellow man can do things white man can. News at 11.
That's kind of true, but the Chinese government is probably competent enough to not mess with nuclear safety.
Yes? Unlike in the US, whether to care about safety or health aren't political issues.
Also, the punishment for severely fucking up isn't a small fine or imprisonment, it's execution. If Fukushima happened in China, heads would literally roll. That's a pretty strong incentive to not fuck up from the plant manager/architect/designer standpoint.
I get it, you don't like China. They're still a big player in global emissions and I'm still glad they're not meeting their complete energy demand with coal/ng. You should be too.
The ability of chinese scientists and engineers to act in their roles without interference from the state is offtopic. If you want to talk about that, go make a thread about it.
In a discussion about plant safety that is relevant, surely.
China’s safety record in other energy sectors is poor. This is presumably not on purpose. What reason is there to believe it will be better at managing nuclear?
The only reported incident has been from one of the European designed EPR reactors, which had a faulty fuel cladding that released some radioactive steam within the system.
Other than that, they've been pretty good. The main reason the reactors are safe is because we've designed them, especially with post-Fukushima improvements, to have a lot of passive safety built in by default.
Post-Fukushima improvements include, in addition to baseline passive nuclear safety, things like being able to take direct strikes from artillery without melting down. That's also in addition to the natural disaster proofing we've done for earthquakes, floods and tsunamis. We've generally done a good job of over-engineering our reactors so that we can minimize any potential disasters.