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I'm really not sure of where this would be anymore usefull than a simple bash script to install all packages you need since it doesn't do configs and that rollbacks are supported by some filesystems already. Also Having version specific dependencies is already a thing for flatpacks and such
Part of the purpose of NixOS is providing a means to build a reproducible environment that's easy to configure, migrate, and rollout. You can absolutely handle configuration of many different programs using either flakes or the native modules provided by nix. You can customize your entire system from firewall entries, to users and their shells, to the kernel itself and the kernel modules you'd want it to load, all in a single file or multiple files. If you want to try doing all those things in bash scripts, good luck and please share your experiences but don't expect it to be as easy as the Nix ecosystem.
so it does handle more than just conditional packages like the other zealots make it sound like
Wayyy more. You can move all of your dotfiles to Nix config. And deploy it with Nix based infrastructure.
A simple bash script is not reproducible or deterministic. Also a filesystem rollback is not the same as NixOS's generation based rollback.
Also, NixOS doesn't just install packages, all system configuration is done declaratively, which would be a very bad idea to do via a bash script.
I have to check a little harder on what it does since I saw in a vid that you still needed to add your own if statement to get it working I assumed a simple
pacman -Qk xorg-xrtrop 2> /dev/null && sudo pacman --noconfirm -S package1 package2 package3 || echo 'I aint got no x, idiot'
would do the job as well
I'm not familiar enough with Pacman to know what that command does. It's definitely not as clean or easily manageable for servers as NixOS is. Especially not when you have multiple systems of which you would like some packages to be shared and others not. It also still doesn't allow you to manage global system configurations.
I'd recommend reading some more; especially w.r.t. imperative vs. declarative.
In NixOS, you'd do something like this:
You don't need to understand the exact semantics here but you can look at it like JSON but with functions. This is not a "program", the end-result is just data. You're not modifying some stateful system state with new state from an uncontrolled source (i.e. the Arch repos) but rather just "outputting" a different dataset.
NixOS then builds a concrete system out of this pure data specification. In this concrete system, those packages' executables are available in the "global" PATH.
You say "I want a system where x y z are installed" and it does it for you in a standardised manner. With the bash script, you explicitly tell it each step ("install x; install y; install z"). This pure data nature is what's meant by declarative.
This distinction rules out whole classes of issues you simply cannot run into with NixOS.
Another aspect is that, as long as you use the same revision of Nixpkgs and the same config file, you can re-create the exact same system (almost bit-for-bit). If you were to run your bash script in a year's time however, you'd get an entirely different system with totally different revisions of software and therefore possibly entirely different behaviour.
This is what's meant by reproducibility.
You can achieve some of the same things NixOS does using imperative tools but nowhere near the same quality.
There is a world of difference between a bash script and something like NixOS. The most important difference is that with NixOS something that you don't specify won't be there. Whereas a bash script (or other config management tools like Puppet, Chef or Ansible) only mutate things listed.
So it is very easy to write a script like:
But if you remove
ensure_installed python3
it will stay installed. You can try to be very careful and always addensure_not_installed python3
but this is both error prone and dead code as soon as you run it. I used to have a script like this and I used each of configuration management tools mentioned above and always ran into these issues. The exact error flow would be something like this:ensure_installed X
but it works anyways because X is still installed from step 1.Now you have a non-reproducible config because if you try to re-install or setup service B on a new machine it won't work because X isn't present. This may sound like a niche problem but I ran into it almost every time I tried to bring up a new machine using my config.
It is still possible to do this in NixOS as it isn't completely reproducible (you can have mutable state) but in general it is much harder because any configuration that isn't specified doesn't exist. As soon as you remove package X or service Y from your config it is removed from your system. I've been using NixOS for 8 years now and this problem is mostly gone. It is definitely more reproducible than bash scripts and it has a tangible effect on my workflow.
I wrote a blog post about it a long time ago but the core is still relevant: https://kevincox.ca/2015/12/21/service-management-with-nixos/.