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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So? In what world does that necessitate you owning a gun? One where Robert Evans's civil war happens?

The idea that everyone needs to be strapped because a few morons are, is paranoid race to the bottom thinking, not how you make a better future.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The real world where without it, I stand a very high likelihood of being raped or murdered at the slightest aggression of an angry male who will always carry a power advantage over me without them, you psychopath.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, Canadian and European women are just casually murdered and raped all the time cause they're not strapped. That's so totally a thing that happens and we all hear about in the news day after day!

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, they are. 1in 6 of all women on average are raped in their lifetime. Girls under 18, those rates are 1 in 4. And many of them could have been prevented if they had a firearm.

And you're evil for claiming otherwise. And for insinuating women should have to accept any risk of being raped at all just to not offend your sensibilities. My sensibilities are more important than yours.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

1 in 6 women is raped in their lifetime

Is that stat higher in Canada / Europe or the US?

And many of them could have been prevented if they had a firearm.

[citation needed]

My sensibilities are more important than yours.

Yes you've made it very clear that you value your own paranoia over the statistical safety of everyone.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is that star higher for Europe or the US?

It's higher even than that everywhere because the number of reported rapes is lower than what the numbers show. It's actually a lot worse. Everywhere. The numbers I gave you are estimates from RAINN.

But let's say what you want to believe is right -- that rape is extremely rare, too rare to justify gun ownership or self-defense in general.

You're arguing that rape is rare anyway, so rape victims shouldn't have a tool they can use to stop it from happening, and if that means any big, strong male threatens to or actually does rape them, they should just bend over and take it, and go to therapy and move on so you can make yourself feel better. If that means more completed rapes, so be it. If that means aggressors will therefore always be at an advantage and enjoy protection from you when you morally condemn and even physically force victims to stop when they try to resist, all the better. If that means even survivors will likely die from pregnancy complications because of so may countries around the world imposing abortion bans specifically so men can forcibly impregnate them against their will, too bad. Fuck them bitches -- literally.

It doesn't matter that it is very much worse than death -- in fact, that's what you're gonna argue next, because you don't care about other people or human life. You only care about being right.

And no sane person thinks like you.

You're sick.

[citation needed]

Resisting against rapists works:

When confronted with a sexual attacker, women are often extremely concerned with avoiding rape completion. While narrative reviews typically suggest that the victim resistance is linked to rape avoidance, much of the existing literature relies on overlapping samples from the National Crime Victimization Survey. The current meta-analysis examines whether victim resistance is related to a greater likelihood of avoiding rape completion. Results from a systematic literature search across 25 databases supplemented by a search of the gray literature resulted in 4,581 hits of which seven studies met eligibility criteria for the review. Findings suggest that women who resist their attacker are significantly more likely than nonresisters to avoid rape completion. This finding held across analyses for physical resistance, verbal resistance, or resistance of any kind. Limitations of the analysis and policy implications are discussed, with particular focus on other research findings that resistance may be linked to greater victim injury.

Wong JS, Balemba S. The Effect of Victim Resistance on Rape Completion: A Meta-Analysis. Trauma Violence Abuse. 2018 Jul;19(3):352-365. doi: 10.1177/1524838016663934. Epub 2016 Aug 12. PMID: 27519993.

Resisting rapists doesn't actually result in greater physical injury:

The impact of victim resistance on rape completion and injury was examined utilizing a large probability sample of sexual assault incidents, derived from the National Crime Victimization Survey (1992-2002), and taking into account whether harm to the victim followed or preceded self-protection (SP) actions. Additional injuries besides rape, particularly serious injuries, following victim resistance are rare. Results indicate that most SP actions, both forceful and nonforceful, reduce the risk of rape completion, and do not significantly affect the risk of additional injury.

Tark, Jongyeon & Kleck, Gary. (2014). Resisting Rape The Effects of Victim Self-Protection on Rape Completion and Injury. Violence against women. 20. 10.1177/1077801214526050.

Stop fucking telling women not to resist rape:

Women's resistance strategies to rape were examined using police reports and the court testimonies of 274 women who either avoided rape or were raped by subsequently incarcerated sex offenders. The sequence of behaviors in the offender-victim interaction was analyzed to determine whether women who resist rape with physical force are, as some have suggested, exacerbating the potential for physical injury or are simply responding to the severity of the offender's physical attack. The results indicated that 85% of the women in the study who resisted with physical force did so in response to the offender's initiated violence. The remaining 15% who resisted with physical force did so in response to the offender's verbal aggression. Moreover, those women who responded with physical aggression to the offender's violent physical attack were more likely to avoid rape than were women who did not resist such force. Also, the potential for physical injury was no greater for these women than for those who used other resistance strategies or who offered no resistance. These analyses suggest that the frequently found correlation between physical resistance and injury of the woman might be the result of the initial level of the offender's violence and should not be used to discourage women from physically resisting rape.

ULLMAN, S. E., & KNIGHT, R. A. (1992). Fighting Back: Women’s Resistance to Rape. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 7(1), 31–43. https://doi.org/10.1177/088626092007001003

Guns allow for more effective resistance:

What are the consequences when rape victims resist rapists? Analysis of a nationally representative sample of rape incidents reported in the National Crime Surveys for 1979 to 1985 yields the following findings: (1) Victims who resist are much less likely to have the rape completed against them than nonresisting victims, a pattern generally apparent regardless of the specific form of resistance: (2) The form of resistance that appears most effective in preventing rape completion is resistance with a gun, knife, or other weapon: (3) Most forms of resistance are not significantly associated with higher rates of victim injury. The exceptions are unarmed forceful resistance and threatening or arguing with the rapist: (4) Even these two forms of resistance probably do not generally provoke rapists to injure their victims, as ancillary evidence concerning assaults and robberies indicates that resistance rarely precedes injury. Attack against the victim appears to provoke victim resistance, rather than the reverse: (V Only about three percent of rape incidents involve some additional injury that could be described as serious. Thus it is the rape itself that is nearly always the most serious injury the victim suffers. Consequently, refraining from resistance in order to avoid injury in addition to the rape is a questionable tradeoff.

Kleck, Gary & Sayles, Susan. (1990). Rape and Resistance. Social Problems - SOC PROBL. 37. 149-162. 10.1525/sp.1990.37.2.03a00020.

Now sit down and shut the fuck up you worthless rape apologist

You are an enemy to women and freedom-loving people everywhere. Including us independents.

Yes you’ve made it very clear that you value your own paranoia over the statistical safety of everyone.

You've made it very clear that you value being superior to others over their literal lives, so you're not anyone that should be taken seriously.

You're evil.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is that star higher for Europe or the US?

It's higher even than that everywhere because the number of reported rapes is lower than what the numbers show.

Yeah, you didn't answer the question. European and Canadian women do not get raped at a higher rate than American women, despite not being strapped up like a commando.

And guess what? They suffer lower rates of spousal killing, and their children do not die from gun violence at any statistically meaningful rate.

But let's say what you want to believe is right -- that rape is extremely rare, too rare to justify gun ownership or self-defense in general.

Never said rape was rare, just pointed out that making guns easy for every psychopath to gets their hands on doesn't make it less rare. Increasing gun ownership increases the rate of rapists who own guns as well, you, evil evil gun wielding rapist supporter 🙄

Congratulations on living in the only country in the world where dozens of children are regularly gunned to death at school. All your decisions are going great.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're more likely to be killed by a mosquito than raped, and men are far more likely to be murdered than you. You might want to reevaluate your threat assessment.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@AngryCommieKender @pinkdrunkenelephants

Got any proof for those statements or are they just your opinions?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remembered the Texas economy lower than it is

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/gdp-by-state/

I was thinking they were only at 1.6-1.8 trillion

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@AngryCommieKender

You wrote about mosquitoes, rape and murder, not GDP.

Those were the data I asked about.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry I got confused about the thread.

https://www.mosquito.org/vector-borne-diseases/

Over 1 million people per year die from mosquitoes world wide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

Males were more likely to be murder victims. (78.6%)

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html

There's the best SA statistics you'll find, but even they admit that the data on the men's side is flawed and incomplete at best.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@AngryCommieKender

Thank you for the apology. It's appreciated.

Statistics for rape conclude that 10% of the world's female population are raped, which equates to about 400,000,000 girls and women. Stats on male rape are fairly non-existent (from a PDF here https://www.equalitynow.org/resource/the-worlds-shame-the-global-rape-epidemic/).

That's 400x the amount of people killed by mosquitoes.

edit to correct numbers

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No it isn't. That's 400,000,000 total, not per year.

The total number of humans killed by mosquitos is in the billions. Mosquitoes have killed more of us than anything else including us and war

Oh, and that million+ per year is way down. Before we figured out how to cure malaria it was tens to hundreds of millions of humans per year.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago

Tell us you don't know anything about the situation without telling us you don't know anything about it