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With these new rules, FIDE has managed to

  1. Imply the mental inferiority of women
  2. Validate the existence of transgender men
  3. Destroy the integrity of awards record-keeping
  4. Call transgender women men

Very nice, FIDE, incredible mental gymnastics performance! 👏 Add them to the ever lengthening sports federation shitlist.

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[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if it's not simply fact, you have to take into account people who want to abuse the system.

I'm male. How much do I have to change to be considered female?

After getting X amount of estrogen?

In things like running or swimming, breasts are a complete disadvantage. Am I required to get a certain cup size?

I could be decent in Tennis as a male. But if I started playing females tomorrow I'd be one of the best. Just how the sport works. No amount of training is going to get a female to serve and return the ball as hard as I can (Which isn't even top male speed).

How many days from today until I can play females?

What if I didn't want to subject my body to hormones just to be considered the gender I feel like I already am? That should be my choice.

You're basically saying that I need to do enough "damage" to my body to be considered female.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m male. How much do I have to change to be considered female?

The standard in many sports is... documented use of testosterone blockers for 2 consecutive years, and a testosterone test showing T levels lower than some number that is clearly within the natural ranges.

If you dig into the sports involved, they generally all have run studies. There is a point where any advantage of being born male becomes negligible. It's not (just) about identifying as the destination gender. It's about showing zero or limited advantage in the league.

Ironically, it looks like the bigger issue is with trans men, who tend to somewhat outperform cis men in certain base tests of strength despite having compatible testosterone levels.

As for breasts in swimming. You understand that it is not against the rules in competitive swimming for a cis woman to get a breast reduction, right? If Cis women have no requirements or limitations on that, why should trans women?

What if I didn’t want to subject my body to hormones just to be considered the gender I feel like I already am? That should be my choice.

Then don't compete in the destination gender's circuit? Turning gendered sports into hormone-matched gendered sports is an entirely reasonable compromise because you're defending the competitive integrity without being bigoted against a person.

A trans individual is not welcome in their birth gender sport because they resemble (hormonally) the other gender. It seems contrived to defend exclusionary behavior on "what if I want to do what would include me in the other category".

[–] darq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much every sport is going to set some reasonable limits, based on the level of competition. Most are based on maintaining a certain hormone balance, including low testosterone, for at least 1-2 years.

So most of your hypotheticals just cannot happen. And moreover, they just aren't relevant to the arguments people are making. A transgender woman is a woman, regardless of if she transitions medically, or how far along she is. But for certain types and levels of competitions, some restrictions are implemented. Most people are arguing against a) a blanket ban, which seems more fueled by bigotry than data, b) a ban from levels of competition that are more socially-oriented than meaningfully competitive, such as school sports, or c) bans like this one, in chess.