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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] TrippaSnippa@lemm.ee 43 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Tuvok is the best depiction of a Vulcan in all of Star Trek too and I will die on this hill (Spock is half human, so I am not counting him). Tuvok seemed to me like he found humans (and Neelix) to be illogical, difficult to understand, and somewhat annoying; but nonetheless he couldn't help but like them as well, though he wouldn't admit that to them (tangential hot take: Vulcans claim to suppress their emotions, but they still make decisions based on emotion and rationalise them as being based on logic after the fact)

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Overall I like Tuvok as a character. My problem with Tuvok is they write him as if Vulcans have no emotion. He even says that.

Vulcans are supposed to have such strong emotions they need to constantly keep them under control and use logic to make decisions because the emotions cause them to make bad decisions.

I think that's a lot more interesting for a character. Nemoy said he played Spock as a guy who was constantly in wonder at things and keeping it under control.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 hours ago

One thing I think that determines if something is good or bad sci-fi is if the components of the show can be used to look at us humans to improve ourselves. An alien race that doesn't have emotions doesn't give us a vessel to use to discuss issues humans have and how we can improve. A race with very strong emotions who have recognized making decisions with emotions as a basis, rather than logic, is dangerous is useful as a tool to teach lessons.

This is what makes Star Trek good sci-fi and Star Wars bad sci-fi. There are very few lessons to learn from Wars, if any. Almost all of Trek is in service to this (at least in the good shows). It's also why the books of Dune are good, but the 1984 version sucks. The miniseries I think are underrated and more people should give it a try. (It's very campy. Just a warning. If you can watch old Trek you'll be fine though.) I'm yet to make up my mind of the new Dune. It's entertaining, and seems to maintain most of the message from the books, but we're yet to see.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

With few exceptions, they're also supposed to also have mastered their emotions very handily. Partly fue to exceptional biology. Not absolutely constantly be on the verge of breaking into tears or a rage, a la Enterprise.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. My problem with the writing is they write him like he doesn't understand emotions having never had the them. When it should be the opposite.

He should be more like an alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore. Still understands what it's like to be drunk or hungover.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Spock was written the same way in TOS and he's half-human.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

He wasn't though. That's a bit of a cultural myth like "Beam me up Scotty." Watch the show and you will see he clearly has emotion he just doesn't let them control him.

His joy when he learns he didn't kill Kirk. His enjoying verbal sparring with Mccoy. The spores removing his control. The look on his face when something strange and new is on the view screen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

No, I mean not understanding emotions.