You are so brave to be condescending on the Internet. The classic holier-than-thou “earn my vote” position is another loser mentality. If we apply that standard to both campaigns, we can clearly see there was one person trying to earn votes. And that person lost. I’d argue Kamala should have been tougher and demanded votes.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Did you even read that I said I voted for all of them? I never withheld my vote, but they certainly didn't earn it either.

I'm not being holier than thou, I'm offering valuable feedback.

From my perspective the pro biden kamala folks have been condescending as f u c k .

If she wanted to demand votes she should have campaigned on a more attractive platform.

[–] wes7ley@real.lemmy.fan -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I understand your feedback and I apologize for my tone. I just cannot get on board with the idea a more progressive campaign would have garnered any more votes. The proof is in the pudding. New progressive challengers failed at taking down any Democrat stalwarts in their primaries. Even worse, progressive incumbents struggled to hold on. It’s important to call out that these problems in races existed months before Harris even entered the scene.

That is why I see the anger at Harris as misplaced. If more progressive policies were the true desire of voters, it would have shown in the primaries just like in 2018 and 2020. The winds were out of the sails.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

I think part of what we are seeing with poorer progressive performance is a symptom of the apathy that occurs when democrats "win" and progressive policy doesn't materialize.

Obviously as sensible people we know that we had sinema and manchin and we lacked the house so there was only so much biden could do, however as voters it still feels like a letdown and I believe that unfortunately emotion is a strong driver for voters.

This is part of Biden's baggage that Kamala inherited unfortunately. If we had a primary maybe we could have had a chance to rile up the base and get some excitement going.

At the end of the day I think this election was lost on fucking v i b e s, as dumb as that is. People feel kinda shitty about stuff and they blame the incumbent even though he's doing his best.

I think progressive policies get people a lot more excited than moderate conservative stuff, and in my view why would a conservative vote for a democratic when their party delivers so hard for them. A pivot to the center will only alienate the left in my view.

Maybe I'm wrong about all this, but at the end of the day a democratic party that keeps pivoting to the right doesn't represent me very much.