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[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there's the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, it's the voters who are wrong. FPTP requires us to vote for people in favor of FPTP.

I WAS going to do SO MUCH organizing this time... if Harris had bought us time. But alas, all strikes will go to Trump's desk now so why even bother. /s

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

It's nice to see people discussing the voting system. Nows the time to talk about opening up the electoral system to 3rd parties right for sure.

If you get the chance, swing by my ask lemmy post to discuss how you and the people of your state can pressure your leaders into implementing electoral reform.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

FPTP requires us to vote for people in favor of FPTP.

Even the referendum efforts slammed into a brick wall this year

RCV failed in Missouri, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, and (likely) in Alaska. People don't like it as a system.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All the more reason to angle for approval voting instead. It's much easier to explain to folks - you just pick everyone you're OK with winning, and whoever gets the most votes wins. No spoiler effect since there's nothing to spoil, dead simple to explain to folks, no moving votes around or instant runoffs or any of that, fully inclusive of third parties and already supported by the voting machines you already have.

You only want Trump, just pick Trump. You want anyone outside the main parties, check every box except Harris and Trump. You want anyone but Trump, check every box but Trump. You just don't want candidate in Russia's pocket, check every box except Trump and Stein. Etc, etc.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Don't get me wrong. I like Approval Voting. But any time I try to explain the idea of "the most popular candidate winning", people get angry at the idea of populism.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Doesn’t help when the Democratic Party campaigns against more direct democracy tho. When the Republicans don’t want it, and the Democrats not only don’t counter-message, but instead join in on securing FPTP, it should be obvious who they’re actually looking out for.

It’s time to admit that the party leadership does not represent us, and either have a palace coup and kick them out, or make a new party.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Good point. Now I'm a different kind of worried. 💀