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Instead of saying that Harris or the dnc dropped the ball, consider that over half the voting population in the US chose a senile, white, male, racist, felon who increased your taxes unless you were rich and stole classified documents, that is chums with Putin.
Maybe instead of "the dnc dropped the ball" it could be considered that the slight majority of Americans are just racist, sexist, uneducated, short sighted idiots?
No one needed to know much beyond seeing how bad trump has been. There shouldn't have needed to be a "make Harris better" plan. America seen that trump shitbox and still chose him.
It's nice to blame voters for parties failing to win elections. That absolves the party of responsibility - "we were right, it was voters who are wrong".
But that won't win an election. And that attitude will gift the mid terms and even 2028 to the republicans.
The DNC fucked up - it backed Biden despite clear signs he was not a good candidate for this election, the primary process who a fig leaf of democracy rather than putting forward the party's best and brightest, it then fought concerns of Biden health and hid the truth, then when he finally stepped down late in the day it arranged a coronation for Harris. And then after behaving undemocratically repeatedly it had the gall to make the election about "saving democracy".
Voters didn't do these things, the DNC did.
Instead of demonising voters and non voters, it's better to ask what should the party have done differently to win them over and what does it need to do to win them over in the mid terms.
It's nice for you to ignore that over half the voters in this country voted for someone that they knew was a sexist, racist, felon. A slice of bread with no advertising should have gotten more votes than him.
@ColeSloth, ok, but what does it say about our candidate and campaign that they lost to such a clown? Thats what we should be focusing on, not name calling and finger pointing.
and as for:
88% of the dems were against gaza and the dem leaders decided they didnt care and would lock the voices of people who do care out of the convention. Thats acting like an imperial, not a coalition partner. If the dems want a coalition with the left, then act like it, otherwise you should learn to be happy with losing, because centrists dont have the votes to win much of anything, and they didnt have them before the election either.
Progressives are tired of this republican bullshit within the democratic party. If you want to be republicans, great, then go ally with maga. Otherwise tack left. You pick, we'll be standing right here for a short while, then we need to ditch you lame centrists milquetoasts for good and go it alone.
It doesn't absolve. If people are acting like it does, then they're wrong and it still is true without absolving. It just points out that people voting for trump is overwhelmingly the problem.
And also, the Democrats ran their failed diet republican strategy. But if they fucked up twice as bad as they did, there's sill no reason to vote trump, and that remains the main issue.
The non-magas have to lock arms and stand together until ranked choice, no electoral college, and no citizens united. That's the front door to the future.
Except not all non-magas want to. You can scream and cry and call names all you want. They just don't show up to the booth. So what should we do instead, because living in the imaginary land of what voters ought to do has gotten us another Trump term.
Fucking seriously though. I can see the frustration with the DNC, but some form of action is a hell of a lot better than the total dismantle of America as it is right now. These people could have easily looked into Kamala's policies that show quite a few good ideas, and a few that I personally didn't jive with (increase child tax credits, while the people like me and my partner are staunchly against having children that will grow into a world on fire, get absolutely nothing). Didn't stop me from voting for her though, you know why? Trump has NO plan (GOOD plan, they've got PLENTY of bad plans lined up for us all!). AT ALL. So, America's idiots STILL chose this orange buffoon, with no plans at all, just sparkly words, and now we are really sitting here and trying to blame Harris, who only had 107 days to get her message out there? Come on, Lemmy. I thought you were better than this...
The government allowed lies to be told on TV and on the internet under the guise of news. There were no real consequences to those who had listeners and repeated foreign government talking points for money. We have not seen any real investigation on how much interference was ran on social media.
Nearly every human being believes that they are a good person making rational decisions, so its important to examine the environment around these people to where they can believe they made the right choice when it comes to electing Trump and sadly, it seems our mostly unregulated free speech that let it happen, because the republican party is more organized and effective in communicating their platform and slandering their opponents than democrats are, and they motivated more people to vote than the democrats could as a result. Anger and hate are strong emotions and motivators, and unfortunately the republicans keep on using them and it keeps on working.
I have no idea what you're blaming Lemmy on, if anything I'd expect the userbase here to be more active and left-leaning voters than average. People have a good reason to be frustrated, and I think pointing that frustration at the only alternative option we had for a political party failing election after election to learn how to communicate and how to deliver on what the people really want is a reasonable take.
I agree.
I agree.
I'm basically pointing out how senseless some of these comments have been, on almost every single post about either Harris, Walz, or the DNC. The biggest problem this election, that we know of as of yet, was the absence of votes, and white men and women, Latino men and women, voting against a women of color.
The people here may be left-leaning, or at least say they are, but they have nothing but shit takes trying to blame Harris for a shit campaign. They actively chose to allow a fucking criminal to determine the future of their country. It is really quite a take, considering that she actually had policies, told you where to find them, and was CONSTANTLY berated on interviews and shit. Trump got softball questions, and no matter fucking what, he always got away with every single stupid and evil thing he did or said.
Crazy.
Also completely fair, I'll shake hands with you on that.
But, surprise, everyone knew all of that 8 fucking years ago.
They knew Trump voters will vote Trump no matter what.
They knew he will spew lies in every direction at record speed.
They knew what has happened to Hillary.
They've seen the Biden victory.
And NOTHING was learned at any of this.
I'm not from the US, but I do blame the DNC ever since 2016. And, while I am distraught and sad that Trump will guarantee the death of us all through global catastrophy, he did nothing new this election, from the previous two. And neither did anyone else. Guess what happens when the people get fucked by high prices and no help?
DNC is actively stopping actual leftists, there is no hope for any meaningful progress, just small kisses of good gestures.
Imagine if the leftists had a manifesto like Project 2025. Imagine strong messages like 'taxes only for the billionaires', 'free press from the oligarchy', 'no more oil subsidies', 'reign in the wall street and blackrock'.
You realize that you need people to have children if you want to keep having a doctor or firemen or farmers and so on? Child credits benefit you even if they don't go in your pockets directly.
You're the exact type of person that prevents social programs from being implemented, if it doesn't benefits you directly then no one should get the benefits.
Can you go over my comment one more time, and point to me where I said I was against the credit completely? As in, I said I didn't think it deserved to be there at all?
You said your "don't jive" with such measures because it doesn't concern you as a childless person, I'm telling you it's ridiculous to "not jive" with such measures because you still need people to have kids even if you don't have them yourself. You don't like a measure that benefits you because you are too self centered to realize it does.
Oof. Bad take, bad take.
Here’s the thing, I can still not personally like something, complain about not ever getting anything myself as a single non married person, while still voting for the person and that policy because I know it benefits the greater good.
You don’t seem to realize that people can dislike something, and feel left out of policies like these, but still support it for the greater good.
Next time before you call someone fucking self centered, how about getting more details.
Fucking asshole. Have a terrible terrible day today.
That's the thing though, you are getting something from it! But because others are getting money and you're getting something that isn't money you can't see it and therefore dislike the project!
Who's got a bad take here? The person disliking social safety nets or the person disliking them when it isn't a direct advantage to them?
You're part of a community, when people suffer you feel the consequences, when people do better you do better. Get your head out of your ass.
Fucking stupid. Lol
Prove me wrong if I'm so stupid.
Child poverty leads to people who don't get as much education which leads to people voting against their own best interest like they did a few days ago.
Are you going to pretend you won't feel any consequences of that?
Less education leads to people being less healthy which leads to higher healthcare costs that comes out of your pockets.
Are you going to pretend you don't feel any consequences of that?
This will be the last time I reply, okay? I do not have the energy to explain myself to some fucking fool with no reading comprehension. I’ll put it as simple as possible.
Just because I do not agree with something 100%, does not mean that I do not support it 100%.
If you had any reading comprehension skills, you’d have noted during my first comment I asked you where I said I didn’t think the credit deserved to exist at all. You never did that, by the way. You started blabbering about shit I already understand and support. That is precisely why I called you stupid. I never said it did not deserve to exist. I said I voted for Kamala anyway, because I understand the greater good. What are you not fucking getting?
Imagine that. A “leftist” who immediately attacked another actual left leaning person, because for some stupid fucking reason, they read an entire paragraph, and only came through with the sentence “that don’t jive with me, personally”. That’s it. That’s all it was. I didn’t agree with it completely, but still supported it.
That, in my opinion, is why I think you’re terrible about getting your “point” across. You had no point, because you went on the basis of a part of a huge paragraph, without even looking at the rest and digesting that and fully taking it in.
You keep repeating the same shit, "I don't get anything from it", my point from the beginning has been that yes, you do in fact gain something from it.