switzerland? we’re 25% non-citizens which is the highest rate in europe (excluding microstates). Has caused some reactionary stuff though hence the rise of the racist far right party.

That’s compared to 7-8% of the US population for example. Or 12% of the German population (though getting german citizenship is easier than getting swiss citizenship).

[–] Raylon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

tbf a big reason for our high share of non-citizens is just that citizenship is much harder to acquire than in most other places

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Yes that’s definitely a part. But we also score far higher than other european countries on percentage of forgien born population and a bunch of other metrics. You can’t deny Switzerland is extremely multicultural.

Though our diversity tends to be majoritarily european and western. I think we have a smaller black or arab population than our neighbours.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

we’re 25% non-citizens

Refusing to give citizenship to residents isn't a point in the country's favor.

That’s compared to 7-8% of the US population for example.

If you want to get historical, the US is north of 99% migrants. But setting aside the politics of generational migration, we also have birthright citizenship and marital citizenship laws that naturalize people at a far more consistent rate. And we have an enormous territory, such that you can move from New York to California or Puerto Rico to Alaska and still enjoy citizenship.

What do you call a huge influx of East Coasters into Texas, Colorado, and Arizona if not migration?

Let me know when the majority of the Swiss population is French, and then you can brag about your diversity.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’m not bragging about diversity just replying to someone calling switzerland an ethnostate. Jeez!

And I wouldn’t brag about most the US population being migrants from a couple centuries ago because that comes with the fact you practically wiped out the native population.

If you’d like to compare the US and Switzerland without using citizenship you could use percentage or forgein born population. 37% of the Swiss population vs 18% of the US population.

But I didn’t mean to start a US vs Switzerland contest, I just used US based statistics in my previous answer to illustrate how Switzerland is not currently an ethnostate. Especially since Switzerland contains 4 distinctive ethnicities since centuries. Schywzerdütsch have a very different culture than swiss romands or swiss italians etc. We don’t even speak the same language…

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

And I wouldn’t brag about most the US population being migrants from a couple centuries ago

Most Americans are less than three generations old.

[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

so Switzerland is a microstate. per its features. innit?