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How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 months ago by index@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Then you’re an absolute dogshit mod, either not looking or not recognising Russian trolls who are plentiful even on Lemmy.

There are approximately zero Russian trolls, but there are plenty of conspiracy theorists who think there are.

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Whether Russia broke international laws by invading isn’t even a point of debate

So you’re still refusing to answer the question?

You are being utterly ridiculous, so yes. I don’t know why you’re doubling down on sounding like a 12 year old.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are approximately zero Russian trolls

Good one, mate. Are you trying to say bad actors who are literally employed by Russia, but ignoring all the people who've bought into the propaganda enough to propagate them despite not getting financially compensated by the state of Russia?

Are you seriously trying to say the existence of Russian propaganda on Lemmy is zero percent? I sincerely doubt that, because I'm sure you're aware of just how ridiculous of a statement that is.

"You're being utterly ridiculous by asking one simple question, to which I would avoid the answer were I on the side of Russian rhetoric."

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. I asked a simple question; do you agree that Russia has broken international law with a war of aggression by invading Ukraine?

It really doesn't necessitate getting upset nor all the equicovation. What's more ridiculous: listing a bunch of links trying to imply there's no such thing as Russian propaganda when asked if you think it was wrong of Russia to invade Ukraine... or... asking someone a simple yes or no question?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you seriously trying to say the existence of Russian propaganda on Lemmy is zero percent?

Approximately so, yes, certainly not enough to merit concern. Virtually no one in the world knows that Lemmy exists, it is new, it has no marketing/advertising, and it has under 100K active users. Do you really think we’re on the Russian state’s radar?

Maybe you should go back to Reddit, where you won’t be exposed to genuine opinions from real people that differ from yours, back to the AlwaysTheSameMap corporate social media bubble.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Approximately so

"Do you really think we're on the Russian state's radar"?

So again you're pretending propaganda only exists in the form of people who are financially compensated or mandated by the Russian state. That's insanely childish of a take. You either have really bad reading comprehension, or you're engaging with me in bad faith. Latter is against the rules, I believe?

It's weird how you can pretend to have asserted that you have implicitly agreed with the fact that Russia has broken international laws with an illegal war of aggression by invading Ukraine. If you're not pro-Russian, then it should be rather easy to say "Yes, Russia has broken international law."

Even with your notion of propaganda being spread purely by paid actors, you admit that there's a non-zero chance of that happening on Lemmy. Now, IF there was such an actor here, would they have a problem with admitting that Russia has broken international law with a war of aggression by invading Ukraine? I believe they would. Wouldn't you?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh I see, I missed this part: “ignoring all the people who’ve bought into the propaganda,” probably because I’ve stopped paying attention.

Like I said, some people are going to have different opinions from you. You can engage with them, downvote them, or leave.

Now, IF there was such an actor here, would they have a problem with admitting that Russia has broken international law with a war of aggression by invading Ukraine?

frothingfash You got us, we’re all GRU agents. Lemmy is one big psyop.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To recap, you — a mod — proudly admit you don't have the attention span to read the things on the forum you're a mod on, even the ones you're actively taking part in?

Hey, you're free to disagree with me.

Ofc I'm going to judge you for being pro-Russian, as that's just shameful. However, I assume that you won't be able to answer whether you are or aren't, despite pretending that you already have, even though people who have the attention spans to actually read the thread can clearly see you haven't — you've spent a lot of energy avoiding it. This reminds of the time I was in an elevator with a drunk guy who loudly shat his pants and then proclaimed "it wasn't me!" (And it was very clearly just the two of us in there.)