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Five jailed for taking direct action against Israel’s war crimes in Gaza
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Tends to happen when you knowingly break the law
How fucking smug. If only we were all as brave as you.
I don't agree with their methods or their objectives, so I don't see anything to praise here as 'brave'.
you don't agree with their objective of protesting sale of drones to the IDF?
No. I want the IDF to be given the weapons to finish off Hamas. The Palestinians have no future while Hamas rules in Gaza, and the IDF are the only military force in the world with both the capacity and motivation to destroy Hamas - it certainly won't come from Palestinians themselves. Israel can't plausibly be expected to allow Gaza or the West Bank to become a state if that means Hamas coming to power.
I see... so this isn't really about the law, it's about the values that you think those laws uphold.
What Israel is doing is in violation of several international laws. Couldn't one say that protests like these are what "tends to happen when you knowingly break the law"? Then it's just a matter of which value you hold higher: the laws that these protesters faced, or the not-forcibly-ousting-a-population laws.
Damn. Mans just out here calling for genocide just straight up.
Advocating for the defeat of Hamas is 'calling for genocide'?
lmao
When the problem is that Hamas only exists in the context of isreal's genocide of the palastinian people, yeah. Calling for their defeat is calling for a continuation of that genocide dumbass. Maybe if you hopped off your murder train for 5 seconds to consider the history of why a terrorist group like Hamas exists in the first place you might have a human thought on the matter. But that requires empathy. Empathy for a people who have been murdered, displaced, and put behind a wall. Empathy for a people you have been told your whole life are brainless, heartless, brown terrorists with no goal but the elimination of Jewish folk instead of what they really are. People. People who have been abused by a colonist state for 80 years, fighting back against that state in the only way they can anymore.
Hamas shouldn't exist, but Israel made the conditions where a group like Hamas will exist. And as long as the palastinians continue to exist and exist under apartheid, then Hamas or similar groups will continue to exist. This leaves you with 2 options. A. Give them their God damn land back and let them have their own independent state. B. Genocide.
Calling for anything other than option A is to call for genocide. Even if you don't see it that way, that's the reality of these situations. There's history to show this, it isn't the first apartheid state in existence. It isn't the first ever genocide. We know how this goes. And history will remember it as such.
That's a lot of words to say they deserve it. And to throw in India and Pakistans independence as being a failing on them and not on the British for creating the situation in the first place is a prime example that your ability to understand a situation stops where the blame most best rests in your favor. You cannot see the colonial and imperialist forces that set up these situations, only so focused on the sins of the people subjected to them. Because by doing so you remove blame from those colonial forces. If you pretend Israel always existed, then fighting Hamas is self defence. If you instead view isreal as a colony that displaced natives then suddenly it is the palastinians who are in self defense.
Notice how I never talked about Hamas and their goals? I simply said a group like Hamas is inevitable in this situation, and removing them will just spawn another. Hamas and their actions and states goals are not important because they have no power, no ability to achieve them. They are a people's desperate gasp, a violent slash of anger from a cornered and oppressed people. But you are so fucking focused on their anger to trigger your "at any cost self defence" that you completely skip the fact it is them who are defending themselves.
In short. You can go fuck yourself and your lack of humanity and inability to humanize. If I had one wish in this world, it would be that you were born in Gaza, with all the knowledge and positions you have now and could truly experience an exact copy of yourself in the position you are in now. I feel you would have a different perspective if you was the 12 year old starving under the rubble. But considering your violent nature, I feel you would only end up with Hamas. An irony most sad.
kind of pointless arguing with somebody reality-challenged enough that they can describe a genocide and then go "see no genocide"
it's pretty obvious to anybody paying attention what's going on in gaza, you just evidently just don't want to pay attention
so take your pick: is israel's bombing so wildly indiscriminate that they're just razing 80% of gaza, or are they deliberately targeting the infrastructure people need to live in a place?