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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by HumanPenguin to c/uk_politics
 

This is opinion. So read it as such. But consider it please.

Obviously if you read this based on the title. I assume you oppose the Tories.

But if you are wondering why labour are so keen to manage expectations. There is a reason.

Campaign funding wise the Tories are estimated to be 19m ahead of labour. But honestly at the moment they are not spending a huge amount more.

We know the Tories are skilled at election manipulation. So there is genuine fear that the Tories plan to launch a campaign within the last few days.

I.E. when there is less time and funding to ensure fact checking is effective.

They know Starmer is more publicity aware then Corbyn was. He is able to play it in a way that dose not scare traditional Conservative voters.

They also know thanks to Boris, that the courts are unable to punish them for outright lies during any political campaign. And that Rishi is prepared to lie about and accuse civil servants of lying when challenged.

As huge as polling is against the Tories. All it would take is some dramatic claim against the party or Starmer. To convince Tory traditional voters to bite their tongue and vote Tory. While convincing left wing voters not to vote or to switch to 3rd party in seats where labour are the 1st or 2nd party.

The fact we know they have a huge amount of money unspent. Makes it clear they plan to launch something nearer the end of the election. And the only advantage of leaving it so late. Is it will limit the ability of the party to effectively react. Or fact checkers to be able to prove and distribute evidence of lies.

Please be prepared for this.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

And which party with any electoral chance is sound on trans issues? Neither? So now you have a choice: vote on a single issue when you know the party you're voting for has no hope, or take the less bad alternative and try to work from there.

And of course I am painfully selfaware that I am saying this from America where our choices are between two genocidal fascists credibly accused of SA

Yeah, right, because Biden and Trump are exactly the same. /s

Anyway, where's the "credible" accusation of sexual assault against Biden? Laughed out of court for not being credible. And against Trump? A civil finding that he did commit SA, and in any state but New York, it would have been rape.

This all smells like encouraging voters to stay home because "both sides." And that favours the party with the more fanatical base. Seems to me a more likely way to get death camps than Starmer getting in.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Not going to throw my trans comrades under the bus for political convience, and to vote for a center right liberal party.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This all smells like encouraging voters to stay home because "both sides."

God you people have a one track mind. No I am begging people to take more action (and responsibility) than just going to the voting booth once every 2, 4, 6 years etc.

Join a revolutionary party, join a mutual aid organization, volunteer whatever free time you can to actually doing something about issues you claim to care so dearly about. Maybe if you are of the privileged demographics put your body on the line to defend those targeted by state and or fascist violence.

Stop pretending like the only politics is liberal bourgeois democracy ffs. It's sooooo god damn tiring.

And sure vote if you want to but stop blaming the people for reasonably checking out of this broken system while still doing the more important work of direct action for not endorsing literal genocide.

Like it or not that is materially what your vote does. It endorses the policies of the person you voted for. All of them.